Podcast 230: Tracy’s download from the Virtual Reali-Tea Awards; Whitney Rose files; Vicki is mad at us; Phaedra and CT

Tracy is back on the mics breaking down the Virtual Reali-Tea Awards: who she met, who actually let loose, Kyle Cooke behind the DJ booth, Carl Radke with his shirt off and the Countess closing out the show. Then we get into Whitney Rose’s divorce filing, Vicki Gunvalson calling us liars, the RHOA ladies at Baha Mar (is CT actually there?) and the Southern Charm love child buzz.

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Huge thank you to the Tristate Cadillac Club for hosting us at a genuinely wild night. But first, Cocktailers, it’s Breast Cancer Awareness Month, so do your self exams and get your mammograms. Whitney Rose was partying at the awards without a care in the world, and her attorney officially filed for divorce the next morning. We have some interesting theories about that whole situation, including a DM about exactly where Justin was spotted last weekend and the company he was keeping. Vicki Gunvalson is very angry at us, so come down this rabbit hole with us that ends with Vicki herself calling us liars. We’ve also got tea on where Carmella stands, and what’s happening with casting for next season, if there is one. Plus RHOA has rolled up to Baha Mar and our Cocktailers are on property, of course. We have reports from the flight, the lobby and the resort. The new Southern Charm trailer has everyone flipping out over a love child accusation, and our Charleston people did not disappoint.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Whitney Rose and Justin Rose (RHOSLC)
• Angie Katsanevas, Heather Gay, Bronwyn Newport and Lisa Barlow (RHOSLC)
• Vicki Gunvalson and Carmella Garcia (RHOC)
• Phaedra Parks and CT Tamburello (RHOA, The Traitors)
• Southern Charm season 12 and Whitner Slagsvol
• Lindsay Hubbard, Kyle Cooke and Carl Radke (Summer House)
• Scheana Shay, Meredith Marks and Ramona Singer, spotted at the Virtual Reali-Tea Awards

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Transcript

My source tells me that the OG who returned this season and was rumored to have mutually decided to leave was let go and it was not mutual. She also was being paid $1 million, so it's a huge payday to be able to cut Welcome to Cocktails and Gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we're gonna spill the tea. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from BravoandCocktails.com. And as always, it's all alleged and just for fun. We do not verify our blinds. I'm B. And I'm Amanda.

Let's get into this week's tea.

Tracy's Virtual Reali-Tea Awards Recap

What's up, Cocktailers? Hello, Amanda. We have our girl Tracy on here today because we had a really fun invitation this week. So shout out to our friends at Tristate Cadillac. We love you guys. They hosted us at the Virtual Reali-Tea Awards. And originally when they reached out, it was supposed to be... Well, it wasn't supposed to be. My mind told me, and it's funny 'cause my, our friends at Cadillac, the girl I email with is like, "I actually think I did tell you October 8th when I first told you." But it was October 6th, which is my son's birthday. So when she sent the formal invitation, I panic called Tracy and was like, "Please tell me that you can do this."

And she was like, "125%, and I'm bringing my mini mics." Yeah. So she's gonna break it all down for us, 'cause she was... First of all, there were a lot of people on the red carpet, but Cadillac, Tristate Cadillac, you guys are amazing because we were actually guests in the event. We did do red— Tracy did do red carpet coverage, which was amazing, but we actually got to attend the event as if we're, like, reality stars ourselves. So cool. Yeah. Hi, Cocktailers. Hi, everybody. Hi, Tracy. I'm so excited to hear everything about how the event went. I just wanted to say before we get into everything, I wanted to, we all wanted to send out a shout-out to our lovely cocktaler, Laura. She is recovering from a double mastectomy and reconstructive breast surgery, and told me that she is looking forward to having our podcasts to keep her company now that she's home from the hospital and recuperating.

So we are sending you so much love, Laura, and feel like now is a good time to say, guys— Mm-hmm it is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, so do your self exams, get your mammograms. I know it's not the most fun, and it can be unpleasant, but it's so worth it to take care of yourself and just stay on top of your testing. So love you, Laura. Love you, Laura. Sending you— Love you all of our love. Okay. So it looks like it was so much fun, Tracy. Tell us everything. Looks like also— Yes like the Bravolebrities really seemed to let loose at this one and have fun.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, hi, Cocktailers. Hi, B and Amanda. All right, so many things to share. It's, like, hard to know where to start. But first, again, a big thank you to Tristate Cadillac for hosting us, and to Page Six and the amazing Evan and Dan, who were so nice, who are hosting the award show. Yes, thank you Evan and Dan— Oh, my God from Page Six as well. Yeah, like, the nicest, nicest. And I have to say, so B knows Ashley. She's done our hair before when we interviewed Georgina, and I— Can I just say one thing? We love Ashley. Yeah. And Ashley has done many Real Housewives hair, which is very funny Yes. She's— She's so good so— She is amazing. Yeah, and like, sh— and the nicest, and so I was like, "I have to...

I hope she's available to do my hair for the Virtual Reali-Tea Awards." And she's blunt. She calls my hair thirsty. Oh, she'll be like, "No." I did clip-ins, and she was like, "I'm gonna put these in, but next time please get more, 'cause this doesn't look right." I was like, "Okay." There's... Yeah, she's hardcore, but she's so good at what she does, and she tells me how thirsty my hair is every time we meet, and recommends so many things. And I've actually been using Nutrafol's new Strand Serum for a couple of weeks, and legit, the first thing she said when she was touching my hair was like, how much it's improved and like how strong it was. So I was like, "Oh my God, I've been using the Strand Serum." She loved it. She's like, "Oh my God, I have to order this."

And you saw my hair, it came out so well. But she was like, "We're putting this also in your extensions." Like- Oh she was like— I didn't... So that's smart. So I use the Strand Serum, too. You guys know we're Nutrafol lovers. Yes, they sponsor us, but it, it works. Yeah. Yeah. My hair is full from them, and now my strands are healthier from them, and I didn't know I could use it on my extensions. Yeah, if it's real hair. And you know what? It also smells so good, and I— Use a ton of it. It's not greasy. It doesn't weigh your hair down. You put it on your hairs wet or dry. So yeah, go to nutrafol.com to order it if you're interested. It's amazing. And thank you so much, Ashley, for making me look decent next to all these Bravo celebrities.

So Lacey, 'cause we met Lacey at that From The Valley. Didn't she comment specifically on your hair? She did. Yeah. She was like— We love her "Your hair looks so good." I, yeah. And even messaged me after, "I love the way your hair came out, love the color." She is the nicest. I like her. You two are like, you got, you guys have a friend romance. I think so. Honestly, she's a baddie. I like Lacey a lot, so. Yes. Okay, what else? Speaking of baddies, yes. Also Ally from Bravo After Thoughts was there, and I got to stand next to her during the red carpet when we were doing the interviews. And ugh, it was just great to have her as a plus one. And if you don't follow Bravo After Thoughts, please do so because— We love Ally she's amazing. Oh my God, Ramona was so Ramona. It was, like, insane. She was, like, talking to some guy. I didn't know who he was. I think he might be on the Civilian Traitors. But she was just like, "Oh my God, I'll hit on anyone if they're gay or they're straight." And I was videoing and she's like, "This is a private moment."

I'm like, "Well, let's do an interview." And then she just went with that anyway. I was like, "Okay." Um- Wait, what was she drinking, though? 'Cause she was holding a wine glass, but it looked like there was something dark in it like soda or coffee. It was I think it was Kahlua was one of the sponsors. I think it was an espresso martini. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Yeah. And she knows she can't do turtle time with an actual martini glass. Turtle time. Yeah. Oh my God, Amanda, don't not be my friend, but I have to say Scheana Shay opening the show to As Good As Gold with the 27s, like the screamo version, was— F***ing awesome. She's so good. It was such a way to start off the show.

Okay. Well, Tracy, I would never be one to say just 'cause you like somebody I can't like you. Yeah. But I will say I am questioning who I am these days, and if 2025 me knew that 2026 me is starting to like Lisa Barlow and see things from her perspective, and like Teresa, and anyway, and by the way, Mads Backshidow. Mads Backshidow. Well, it's an important conversation to have after we cover the awards show because I have always admitted I'm a flip-flopper— Yeah when it comes to Housewives. Yeah. Not in real life, but what, and when it comes to Housewives, I just flip-flop depending on the episode and season. But anyway, go ahead, Tracy.

Seating, Next Gen NYC and the Awards After Party

Yeah. No, I mean, so we like, and I'm gonna just say, Bravo and Peacock had a major seat at the table. We were on the ground floor. If you're picturing the Golden Globes, I had the cast of Friends in front of me, that'd be Next Gen NYC. Mm-hmm. I had Meredith and Seth right next to me on the table there. Ashley Darby was behind me. It was just so amazing. Oh, sh*t. We had better seating than Ashley Darby? Yeah, I was in front of Ashley. She looked beautiful, by the way, but it's very hard for her not to. Also, speaking of next gen, Ariana and Liam were looking very couple-y and very cute together. And was— Which somebody who lives in their building DM'd me to say when I posted the video you had of them, like, canoodling.

But you said— Yeah "I live in Ariana's building. They're very much together." He's so... I mean, I met him at the 20th Housewives party, but he's so good-looking in person. I get it. I get it. Well, then I'll take the top, and you bottom. I wanna see him in person 'cause I, as we've heard people say that, so I need to see with my own eyes. He's not for me. Yeah. Great. Well, then I'll split him with Amanda, but Amanda, I'll take the top. You can have the bottom, and maybe we'll switch. We'll figure it out. And by bottom, I mean penis. Okay. I just wanna make sure we're on the same page. Galina was there, and she's, like, close with Lacey, I think.

She's got a lot of friends. Like, randomly in the Bravos, we are seeing everybody together. There's Carol with Lindsay and Erin, and then Galina and Lacey. It was very, very interesting. Spoke to Kyle. He told me, he was like, "Yeah, he won hot tea." And he was like, "Yeah, my PR person told me, or somebody asked me if I was supposed, if I prepared a speech." And he's like, "No, I didn't prepare a speech 'cause I'm thinking about DJ-ing the after party." And you can legit tell he didn't because he was like, "I guess I had to break up for someone to notice me." And it was like, there was, like, an awkward moment during his thank you speech, which was— Yes, I saw that I mean, oh my God.

But also speaking of Kyle. You know when you put an ugly guy on stage with a guitar, and they're, like, hot all of a sudden? Mm-hmm. You put a good-looking Kyle behind a DJ booth, and the panties don't drop. There, there are no panties. The panties do not exist I, I have to say, so Kyle DJed when I was at the Vulture Awards, and historically I've never... Not that I've never found Kyle attractive. Obviously you look at his face, he's a good-looking man, okay? But I have never been like, "Ooh." But in person, I get it.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they— so obviously the award show, it was great, but the after party was such a vibe. The thing about Kyle deejaying and Lindsay being there, and Carl, and Mia was there, and just people from In The City, it's like you don't just get to see Kyle DJ, which he's so good at, by the way, you get a show. Yes. Because then watching Carl take his jacket off in his wife-beater, looking so delish. I was like, "Wow, I shouldn't even have worn underwear to these award shows." And just Lindsay's such a good dancer. Her and Carl, it's all over the internet. My phone was charging. I hit it on the floor because it was dying, and I grabbed Ally's phone 'cause I knew they were about to do something, and I recorded the whole thing.

And I'm like, "Send me that video." But they were doing, dancing to Time of My Life, Dirty Dancing, and they tried to do the lift. It was so cute. Yvonne, who we all fan girl over, she's way more beautiful in person, and her husband, Nick, right? Yes. The nicest guy. We bonded over babies. I was like, "Congratulations on your baby." Wait, is it Billy Kudrup who people keep telling me he looks like? Billy Crudup. I could see that. Crudup. Crudup. Yes. He does look just like him, actually.

Oh, yes. I feel as though I have a crush on Yvonne, so she's taken. Yeah. She— You have a lot of options. Yvonne is mine. But I did tell him, I go, "Just so you know, me, I told B and Amanda that you guys remind me of Chandler and Monica from Friends." And then he's like, "Oh my God." I'm like, "You are Chandler and Monica from Friends." But he is so sweet and he was talking about their baby, Leo, I think his name is. Yes. And he's six weeks old, and just my... I mean, Yvonne doesn't even look like she was ever pregnant. She looks so, ugh, she's hot. I am a lesbian now, just so you guys know.

Speaking of lesbians, Kayla from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives— Layla came with her. Layla. Layla, yes. You guys, I think I have menopause brain. I might be going through menopause. Stop it. No. Layla. Sorry, I called her by her right name when I saw her, was there with her girlfriend, and— Yes, I saw that too she was so happy and just glowing. And I was just like, to her, "I bet you get so many questions about the scandal of what's going on. Let's not talk about that." I feel like she was really appreciative of that. And you know what? We found out she's coming out with a book, and it sounds amazing. It's something that I would definitely read about her life and it, all the things.

So congratulations to Layla. The Countess closing out the show was also amazing. I've never got to see her sing live. I haven't been to her cabaret show. I've always wanted to go, so now I feel like that's, like, a bucket list moment. She just knows what she's doing. Mm-hmm. And my God, ran into Erin in the bathroom. We were both bonding over how we're not gonna stay at the after party too long 'cause we both have kids that we have to take care of early in the morning. I saw some Love Island girls fan girling over Teresa. They're like, "Oh my God," Kaylor, and I'm try— and Jen. And then Meredith Mark's facelift, lift is amazing, and she's tiny.

Yeah. Yeah. She's not tall, though? I kind of pictured her tall. She, no, I mean, like, thin, like, little. Yes. Yeah. Thin, yes. Everybody's tall to me— Yeah 'cause I'm 5'2". That's right. I forgot. I'm trying to think. Oh my God, so I'm sure you guys saw Rhode Island won Best Cast, and— Yes Liz was outside smoking a cigarette, and Dolores was looking for her, and Teresa was looking for her. It was so funny. She's beautiful in person. I was like, "Where are your menopause gummies?" She, they're here, they're there. I'm trying to think what else. Oh, I spoke to Austen and Sally. I mean, if you wanna feel ugly, stand next to Sally. I was at the bar with her getting a drink, and I'm like- How were Sally and Lindsay- "I don't get it" together? Because I saw videos of Sally with Yvonne, who's Lindsay's bestie, and not that they have any reason to have beef, but they're both very outgoing, flirty personalities who've hooked up with a couple of the same people. So I do wonder, were they at all interacting?

I didn't see them interacting. She, at the awards, Lindsay was at the table with Carol and Erin. I don't think, Sally wasn't at that table, I don't believe. Yeah, I feel like they wouldn't— At the after party— sit at the same table. I feel like they're not actively mean to each other, but I feel like they'll avoid each other. Yeah. Didn't you hear Sally was a total sweetheart when you chatted with her? Oh my God. So sweet, so nice. She is who she's... Whatever we're seeing on the show, that's who that is. No doubt. I love Sally. She's funny. I think she's great. Yeah. I was asking Austen, I was like, "I don't understand. You and Craig have a wedding venue, and you guys are doing no events during Bravo Fan Fest?"

And he's like, "I know, but they needed bigger space." And I was like, "Well, you could've done an event for creators then." And he's like— Yes "That's true." But maybe next time. By the way, Tracy also suggested to Evan and Danny that next year they have a best creator award that we win. Yeah. For, well, you know what? Evan and Dan, if you're listening, you guys would be the first to acknowledge these bloggers that love reality TV, and we are a character in these shows, right? Like- 100% you're using our, you're using our clippings— And if you win, Amanda and I will accept the award in person.

Oh. At the venue And I spoke for Amanda. Oh my God. So vote now. Write and check. Sorry, ashes, our booties might not want to cash, but— Yes I love it. You know what? Oh my God. It's a fun goal. Let's do it. I mean— I love it. I really- number one, the award doesn't exist. Number two, you, people would need to vote for us to win. And I don't mean you cocktailers, I mean the reality stars who we talk sh*t about. I don't know. I think we'd have a really good chance of

Whitney Rose Files for Divorce After the Awards

winning. Whitney. I saw Whitney Rose from Salt Lake City. So this was the night before she got divorced. Yeah, and she seems to be in really good spirits. Okay. So w— award show, Whitney Rose is partying without a care in the world, it seems. Last week, you guys know, we got an email that she had an affair, which was one of the reasons her and Justin had separated. We spoke about it on the pod. We didn't necessarily... I did add it to the email after the fact. It's somebody, the rumor, and again, guys, this is a rumor, I don't have a confirmation obviously, there are no photos of her in bed with this person, but it's someone they're very close to. Keeping it at that for now while she files for divorce.

Are we surprised about the divorce filing? I'm not surprised at all. It feels like they were, like, both ripping the Band-Aid off very slowly, which is not only painful to watch— It hurts yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, yeah, I'm the same. I'm not surprised. Back at the beginning of the season when we were talking about it, people have been kind of weirdly critical of them and saying they think it's just a storyline and whatever, and I've said it many times, but divorce is not something you wanna rush, and it's about as real life as it gets, and it's not always a straight line.

People can file divorce and, for divorce and still get back together. I was not surprised. It just seemed like they weren't together based on what we had been hearing and seeing on the show. I'm really curious, Tracy, did you see if Whitney was drinking at the event? I actually did not see her drinking at all. She looked gorgeous. It looked like she was actually on a, a real healing journey. So she did, I mean, she, I didn't see a drink in her hand, so.

Yeah. Well, good for her. I mean, and honestly, again, speaking from experience, sometimes there is this Once you do finally make the decision, there is this almost, there's a, a feeling of lightness, like something coming off your— It's obviously, that's just the beginning of a long process, but I could understand her being, dancing and having a nice night because at that point she had already clearly, very clearly made the decision and it probably was no longer weighing on her.

So when we talk about the fact that she was dancing at a party the night before, I at least am not talking about that in a critical way. I really can understand it. I get it. Right before, so let's see here, the divorce went public yesterday, right? Yeah. This all happened yesterday? Yeah. Holy moly. We got a DM from a source. The source said, "Interesting timing of news, Whitney officially filing for divorce. I was in Salt Lake City this past weekend for a music festival, and Justin was definitely out and looking single and ready to mingle." He was with Chase McWhorter from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. You guys will remember him as the jerky ex of Miranda who has hooked up with Taylor Frankie Paul and Jesse, I think.

They were, back to what the person's saying, they were there both nights and there with several ladies in the group. Can't say I could describe any of the girls, but one of the girls followed me on Instagram. I'll let you know if I find anything else about that. And then she says, "On another note, my 22-year-old daughter asked Chase for a picture and he was super nice. Talked about the show and Taylor being in a dark place but getting help and that she wouldn't be on for a while."

So I got this DM. It didn't even click for me that Chase was a guy. I thought, I read it at first like it was a girl. I'm like, "Oh my God, he's already out with another girl." And then I'm like, wait, Chase from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Okay, that's the ex-husband of Miranda. If you don't pay close attention to Mormon Wives, Chase has quite the list of people since he was married to Miranda. He has hooked up with Taylor Frankie Paul during the infamous 2020 mom talk soft swinging scandal. Taylor revealed she had caught feelings and was hooking up outside the boundaries with her friend's husband, who people then figured out was Chase.

In March, this March, he made out with Jesse, who is friends with Miranda, his ex-wife, and Jesse sent her apology flowers. Chase also briefly dated Layla, who was at the awards show and came out with her girlfriend on Tuesday. In a messy twist to that, Layla briefly dated Chase's brother Mason. Right. Chase had a girlfriend on the show named Kate, she was on in season three And Chase has also hooked up with a well-known influencer, Hailey Batchelder, at Coachella, and they later were spotted in New York City.

So basically, Justin Rose is hanging out with the biggest f*** boy in Salt Lake City The person told me he sent tons of pictures from that night. The person who DM'd me sent tons of pictures. She said Justin is very in shape, which we saw this season that he looks good, and he's super tall, 6'3" or taller. She said she was surprised how good-looking he was. I've always thought he was good-looking. A lot of people— Yeah are very into Justin, especially our gays. Our cocktailer gays always tell me they find him hot. But yeah, in light of the fact that Justin is out here in the streets of Salt Lake City dropping it like it's hot, and we had heard that they're separated since February, I'm not surprised that Whitney filed.

I actually wonder if the instance of him being at a music festival two nights in a row and flirting with young half-naked women is what made Whitney say, "You know what? I'm filing." It's possible. Maybe. It is. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, again, I also see the attractiveness of Justin. I wonder for the gays, is, is Justin considered a bear? Please let us know. Um- What about now that he's... Well, he's still a husky guy, but now he's more in shape But I think that's a bear, right?

I think it was in New York Magazine. I'm not 100% sure, so I apologize, but I read this whole article. It was called Where Are The Bears? Have you guys heard, have you read this? And it's about the fact that there's, because of GLP-1s and because so many people have lost weight, that the whole category of bears— The bears are dying are, yeah. That it's going away. Oh, that's sad. I know. Oh my God. Well, you got the otters. I think, I think it is in your heart too, though. It's not just your appearance, right?

Yeah, I think so. Yes. You can— I mean, it's gonna have to be now it's like a care bear. A care bear stare. Well, listen, getting back to Whitney, I think she was looking for an out, and the whole business going down the tubes was definitely the thing, right? I mean, I feel also like there's real love there. Am I crazy to think they'll get divorced and then get back together after some time? Or maybe they won't go through it. But just like I said, just 'cause you file it doesn't mean you actually go all the way through it. I just, it does seem like they've been trying to be as amicable as possible, and I know this is another drum that I bang quite often, but it's so important 'cause you can just see how hard it can be on families when the parents are not amicable.

So I hope they keep it that way, because the kids are the most important part of this whole thing. I don't really trust Whitney, and I'll give you an example. So just quickly, not to get into the whole episode, but last night at dinner with Quai, she was like, "I was really hurt and it's been weighing on my heart because we're so close and I only said that XYZ." And then she totally throws her under the bus about a comment that Quai made to her— Yeah in confidence about Meredith. Right. I think it will be very hard to stay amicable through a divorce with someone with Whitney's personality.

Right. Because she does what benefits her. I think— That, yeah, I think Justin's gonna have to swallow a lot to keep it amicable. But do you think he feels guilty about the whole business thing and he will? I don't, honestly, I don't know, and I also... We don't know the details. Right. I don't trust Whitney, right? So I don't know— Yeah that it was really fully his fault. She's talking, she, and there was an episode where she's like, "I wanted to go the way of Ulta and Sephora and Target," and it's like- Right if that opportunity had been there, obviously they would've done that over MLM. Like- Yeah everybody would rather have a Sephora, Ulta, Target, Walmart deal than an MLM. So yes, in an ideal... And they were married at the time. He was trying to keep their marriage together, so he's not gonna say on camera, "Yeah, obviously, Whitney, but that wasn't an option, so we did the next best thing, which was this plan, which didn't work out."

So I don't know. I... Listen, they both cheated on their spouses to break up, and a lot of people keep citing that, but they were together 17 years, so that is a long time. They've been on the show, what, let's call it, like, 2019 they filmed, right? 'Cause they filmed before COVID hit. Yeah. I just really feel like she's changed from it. I feel like she's got the fame, she's got options. She has money coming in, and potentially more with brand deals and stuff, and I feel like she kinda cut her losses with Justin. I really do feel that way.

Yeah. She just feels like, "I could do better."

Angie's Marriage, Heather and Bronwyn on RHOSLC

I mean, speaking of long marriages, seeing Angie, what did you guys think about Angie talking about... I so identified when she's like, "I don't wanna say it out loud." It really made me upset. I think that when she was like, "We've been together since we were 21," I am in a marriage, I've been with my husband since college, and there is a different... And I don't know, 'cause I'm not in another marriage, but for... Obviously, guys, I'm not a polygamist. But with my husband and I, we essentially grew up together. We met as college kids, and dated and started our professional lives together. We never lived on our own. Our first home outside of our parents' home and outside of our dorms were together. So, like, all divorces are hard, but 30 years they're together, it broke my heart.

But I also really heard her when she shared, which I don't think we realize, 'cause Sean does seem like a really nice guy. But she said things like, "I was a kid when we got together." Mm-hmm. Not a kid, a young woman. And I got on Housewives, and it was something outside of him, 'cause their business is even together, which is even another layer of, like, entanglement, so to speak. So it was the first time she had something of her own as an adult. And it sounds like she was being nice about it, but I kind of get the impression that Sean wasn't thrilled about it. He kind of liked her having everything with him. Which I, and I don't wanna slam him, because it's also that was his normal for 30 years, right?

So I will say this, I'm heartbroken and I'm really hoping that they get themselves in therapy. And if not, push through it, keep it amicable. But I will say this, if your Mount Rushmore Heather— betrays Angie's trust by talking about this season without Angie's permission, I will officially be done with her. If she holds it, it would be very redeeming for me. Mm-hmm. 'Cause there are things about Heather I really, I just can't trust her. And so if she does right by Angie, I will flip-flop and like her.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I literally, I had the same thought, and I actually had the same thought about Whitney. I was really disappointed in her for trying to throw Ashley under the bus at that dinner as well. So I don't know. This is where, this is again where me being the flip-flopper is coming in, because I didn't really like Bronwyn. I didn't really like the way that she was behaving, and I couldn't have agreed more with what Heather said. I believe I've said pretty much the same thing right here on this podcast of this behavior of going out and being public with your new boy toy when you are still not finished with your divorce, and your divorce settlement has, not everything to do with your future, but so much to do.

It just, it felt very reckless, and I don't know what... Honestly, I really don't know what Bronwyn is thinking, 'cause you can still go out... She could still have gone out and done her thing without being so public about it. It almost seems— Without a People press release? Well, right. And I don't think I even knew about the People press release. Remember last week on the pod when I said that in the clip when they were having this conversation and they found out that they're, everything's basically a handshake deal?

Yeah. I thought she said, one of them said, "Could Todd still screw you?" I thought I heard, and I said it on the pod, "Oh, no, he's too good." But she actually said when I watched- He still could. He still could. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm with Heather. Are you okay? Because she doesn't... I mean, who's gonna pay for all of her Siriano custom dresses? Right. Right, and actually, I mean, the fact that Whitney brought up at the little Easter lunch with Heather and Brittany that...

Well, I know Brittany was actually the one to say first if things aren't adding up, but whoever it was that picked up, like, "Oh, she's saying she's buying this house for her daughter and letting her mom move in, but that she might— Right move in, too," it's almost like it does seem like— What would the motivation be? To make yourself seem grander than you are? Like, nobody expects people to I mean, divorce is really, really, really expensive, and pretty much nobody comes out of divorce better than they were before they got divorced unless they have an ironclad, an, a, a Kandi Burruss level ironclad- Yeah prenup. And so I am kind of side-eyeing Bronwyn now because of all of it.

Well, she always has seemed very smart, so that's the part that, that boggles me. Like, why would she do this? Is her need for attention stronger than her need for financial security, which is what she could potentially be giving up, and her daughter's? Well, I mean, I know her daughter's 18, but let's face it, her daughter is used to a certain standard of lifestyle and if Todd screws her, and as Bronwyn said, he still could, everyone's, Mazzy's screwed— Yeah Gwen is screwed. I just, it just doesn't seem like something I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless she has something on him and she feels like she could hold it over him.

That could be. Interesting. Well, she seems really, Bronwyn might be, I have to figure out my Mount Rushmore next time and I'll get back to you on it. Bronwyn might be on mine, just saying. I feel like she's very smart and I also— This isn't smart but I also feel like I watch these shows and I'm like— I don't know what's real or not, right? Like Brittany saying, "Oh, this and the real estate and this." Like how much of is it true? How much of is it a gray area?

Is she really doing things like to make herself look better? I don't... I get confused sometimes of... I don't know. I just look at Bronwyn like, I feel like she's got a good head on her shoulders— Yeah and she knows what she's doing, and she wouldn't do something to screw her and her daughter over. So like her gallivanting with that hottie while she's like getting separated and divorced, like she has to know that it would be okay or she wouldn't do it, I feel like.

Hmm. But I could be crazy. I feel like that too, but then the other side of me when she says that he could still screw her, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she's just acknowledging like, I, like that like he's... Maybe she's just like, "He's not a pushover." Like, he's a strong guy. Like yeah, he could screw me. To make him look like she has the power. But she said in the first season that they don't have a prenup. Right. Which I suppose there are ways that he could have everything in a trust and that even... He's a wealthy guy. I don't know. I'm not, we're not lawyers. We don't know. So there could be ways for him to protect himself with outside of a prenup.

I don't know. My actual first thought was that, 'cause I do think Bronwyn has a very impetuous side of her where- What's that word mean? It means acting on your emotions without kind of holding back. Impulsive. A little, but yeah, emotionally kind of impulsive. And I keep... My thought was that maybe this was all about revenge for her because she was so deeply hurt by Todd's cheating. Could be. Yeah. So I don't know. Is she unfaithful or...

Vicki Gunvalson Is Mad at Us: RHOC Casting Tea

Girls, Vicki Gunvalson's very angry at us. Uh-oh. Sorry, Victoria. I can think of a few reasons why, but why? Well, we gotta go down the rabbit hole of why she's mad at us and what transpired this week. Made this a public post. Would you like to do the honors and read the first Vicki Gunvalson email that we got? Yes. Okay. It's subject, her decision. "After filming Ultimate Girls Trip and Real Housewives of Orange County season 20 back to back and being off the show for many years, Vicki has learned that her desire to come back wasn't all she hoped for. Despite being invited back, Vicki is deciding to not return for season 21.

Bravo is leaving it up to her, but they mutually agree she will be... She will enjoy being involved with the network more through Watch What Happens Live, BravoCon, and occasional events, rather than as a housewife." So then we got another email from an OC source. Or this is a DM, actually. "Anon please. My source tells me that the OG who returned this season and was rumored to have mutually decided to leave was let go and it was not mutual. She also was being paid $1 million." So it's a huge payday to be able to cut.

Okay. So the first post which says it was mutual, and it's the email I posted publicly, I believe I did this on Saturday, and I went about my business, went out to dinner. I wasn't really online, and I go back on and thank you for the engagement, Vicki, 'cause I had more DMs than usual, more views than usual. Victoria had taken our post and did a green screen with it, and she was saying, "Liar, liar pants. This isn't true." So here's the thing, because we have quite a few OC sources. Vicki is not aware. As a matter of fact, none of the women on the cast know what's going on because they don't tell them while the season's still airing.

They need the cast to continue to promote and support the show, which is why they don't know for sure if they're fired. It doesn't officially mean that they haven't made the decision. So that's a semantics distinction there. One of our top OC sources told us the following. They said, "I hear no OC casting decisions have been officially made yet," as in the women aren't aware of any decisions, right? "It's very possible that production has made decisions that haven't been disclosed, especially where Vicki is concerned. Yes, they usually wait to see fan reactions after the reunion airs, but in her case, the negative response from her showing on season 20 and Ultimate Girls Trip has been loud," which we all know.

Everyone everywhere is calling it a flop. "She has not been informed that she is out, but-" It would be shocking if she was back. I think your source is correct and she's out, and trust me, it wasn't mutual if she's out. They're not gonna tell her or the other women the next season's casting decisions, again, because they want them to promote it. So- Yeah. Makes sense. Well, I feel like Vicki lost the plot on both shows, Ultimate Girls Trip and OC. It's okay. Sometimes the comeback is worse than whatever that saying is.

My situation. The, the- Yes the comeback, the comeback is always better— Sometimes than a setback. Yes. But not here, Victoria, and I mean, I do think she has PTSD from Brooks and I'm sure other things, so she's not in it, and I'm sorry, but she's been a Debbie Downer, and maybe she can end on a high note at the reunion. I mean, we'll see. But the- I did hear she had a good reunion, which is what one source said— Oh that she is saying behind the scenes, like, "I had such a good reunion. Why is this chatter happening?" 'Cause a good reunion doesn't save a million dollar job when you— Mm tanked two huge— Yeah Tepper shows.

Yeah. Respect for the OG, but as Carmella said, everything has an expiration. Yeah. I like Carmella a lot. Me too. Okay. I'm just gonna ask, and I wanna ask all the cocktailers, does anybody want Vicki back? Like, truly, are any of you guys in the way, way back like, "Yes, raise your hand, I want her back." Because I'm on Discord all day, I'm in the comments on the website, on our social media. I haven't heard one person saying, "I'm so glad she's back. She's doing amazing."

Not a one. Not a one. No. And like, honestly, I would be way more worried if I were on the cast that she could bring the whole show down. It's been... I mean, it just has not been a good showing for Victoria

Carmella and RHOC Season 21 Casting

Speaking of Carmella, we also got this. Hearing Carmella is out, a source says production basically decided that Carmella was cut before the season even premiered. So it says, "So I'll be interested to see if that becomes true. They said it was a network decision because she bailed from the Tokyo trip the morning of because she was too afraid to fly, and the network was like, 'Absolutely not.'" The source then goes on to say, "I will check back in once the season wraps to see if that's still the case," but that's... I think that's the thing. I mean, I have to say, and this is me talking, not repeating what the source said, I just, I feel for Carmella. I wonder if she bailed because of her diabetes. She even said on one of the recent episodes that she was nervous about the trip because she'd been having a hard time managing her diabetes during filming.

Right. And that is a very, very scary situation to get on a plane for 12 hours if you feel like you don't have your health condition in check, where you will not have access to any kind of medical care on a plane. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think once, like production obviously was mad at the moment because it messes a lot of things up. Right. But once clearer heads prevailed, they would recognize that... Listen, I checked with my top OC source and they said that production was pissed she ditched the trip. So the rumor that production decided that Carmella would be cut does have, there is truth to it, but fans enjoyed her, and they're looking to add a couple of new women.

So to your point that it wasn't just her being a diva, it was more than likely a fear with her health, I think that is legitimate, right? Where these things are concerned. So what this source also told me is that either last season or the season before, contracts did not get sent out until just three weeks before they started filming. So it seems that in the last few years, production has been liking keeping women on their toes. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it's all about, like, how the audience feels, and that can turn on a dime. So it does make sense to wait on the contracts, 'cause I feel like sometimes a newbie is one iconic line away from being a favorite, and you have to wait.

Yeah. Are you liking her, Tracy? I am liking her. I am. I think she's interesting. I think she's got more story to tell, even outside of her relationship struggles, and I would like to just learn more. Yeah. I feel like you cannot know a housewife until they've been on for seven seasons. Yeah. And then sometimes they're on forever, and I still change my mind about them. Yeah. I like her. I really do hope she's back. I was catching up with last week's episode and just cracking up at how she's like, "I'll throw down. I'll throw an old housewife down. I don't care." I was cracking up about that. Yeah. I think she's, I think she's a fun addition, and she seems to get along well with the ladies.

We have a little more OC tea. This is from New Blood, subject, her decision. With the rumor that Vicki and Emily are gone— OC season 21 is looking to add two new wealthy young housewives and possibly a friend of as well. Last year, over 10 women were interviewed before Bravo decided to only add one newbie, who ended up being Carmella. Kendra Mayo and Noureen DeWulf are among the women who are being considered. All along, Bravo knew the women who tried out last year were also being considered for this year too.

First of all, Kendra Mayo was on Laguna Beach for two seasons. I don't know if you guys- Oh, really? picked up on that. Yes. Noureen DeWulf. I'm gonna have to Google. That name sounds familiar to me too. I'm gonna Google her. Google her. Okay, so again, the Vicki and Emily being gone, this is via email. Do I believe Vicki's gone? I think that's believable. Emily, I mean, I've been feeling like her time was up for a couple of years, but obviously production hasn't agreed with me.

I don't... $1 million for Vicki. I, ugh. I think the Carmella piece of it, I absolutely see that production was pissed, but the feedback from fans, if it's positive and they're bringing in new women. I find her interesting. I agree with you guys. She's got a story to tell. Maybe write something into her contract that she can't pull this again. But I see them moving forward with her and all of that. I have to say, I really did think OC would be paused because it was such a mess, but the ratings are okay, and my sources all said the cast was nervous that it would be paused too, but they will be back. I don't know if there'll be a little bit of a longer break between the next season, but there is no plan to pause.

And— By the way, Noureen DeWulf, we, this is how we know her. So she has been talked about as possibly being cast on this show before, so for last season. And she was on Anger Management again, like, with Charlie Sheen. She's been on, in a film called Ghost of Girlfriends Past, The Backup Plan. So she's an actress in her own right. That's how we know her and her name. Oh, and she's very pretty. I just Googled. Yeah. She's gorgeous. I may be biased because she's my new best friend, but let's get Lacey on the show, shall we? I mean, she lives in the OC. She's hot, funny, and she's got that money. I didn't, and I didn't mean that to rhyme. Also, I'd love to see her life there.

She gives main character energy even when they don't cast her as one, so I'm just saying. I agree.

RHOA at Baha Mar: Is CT Really There?

Okay. Something that's very exciting. So the power of the cocktail community. Okay, you ready for this? Okay. Shoot. Atlanta Real Housewives roll up to SLS Baha Mar in the Bahamas. Very popular resort. A lot of the housewives have been there either on their own or with the cast. I think Beverly Hills did a trip there, Southern Charm. I've actually been there three times myself. It's a huge resort. There's all different levels. So there's Rosewood, which is the most exclusive. SLS, also exclusive. Hyatt, really nice, but more like for families. I think they even have a private bungalow area.

That's where Southern Charm stayed. In any event, we have four known cocktailers currently on property with the Atlanta Housewives. That's amazing. I had one on the flight with them. I had one in the lobby as they were walking in, and then two others just at the resort who have seen them. So boots on the ground in a major way, but it is a large resort. They rolled up. Pinky's husband was there, so we're assuming, and I think a couple of other significant others have been spotted, so it's Pinky's babymoon, but also a couples trip My immediate question was, where is CT and get me a picture, and get me a picture now. Well— Topless. Topless. The cocktailer who was on the flight said that he was not on the flight.

Another source said, well, he wasn't on the flight because Porsha, Phaedra, and K. Michelle flew private. Somebody thought they spotted CT, but I haven't got a picture, so I have no photo evidence. I do have videos and photos of the ladies and some of the guys milling around the resort. But my gut with the CT is if he was there, and we got four cocktailers there, we'd have a picture. So unless he's hiding in a bungalow and Phaedra has him tied to the bed.

Yes. I mean, never, ever underestimate the power of cocktailers, guys. This story does not surprise me. We are all Bravo and cocktails. This always reminds me of when we hear a story like this, of how back in the day where we were not on the best of terms with Austen, different people everywhere would go up and be like, "I'm Bravo and cocktails." At first. We had somebody on the plane, we had multiple people say- And then when I met him, he was like, "Now that we called, we made up, can you please have people stop scaring me 'cause they whisper in my ear in, in a threatening way." That's so— And I'm like, "Oh."

No. No, we would never want you guys to do that. Wait. Wait, are we the gay grapevine? Ugh. Are we the gay grapevine? We are. I think we're the gay grapevine. You're welcome, everyone. If it means we can hang out with... Oh, no, it wasn't Amira, it was Georgia. I was gonna say, if it means— Yeah we can hang out with Amira, I wanna be in the grapevine. I think he will be there. I think this is how they, you feed the PR machine. Although we haven't seen him, so I do trust our on the ground sources. I have to say this again, I love the idea of them being together, I just don't believe it's a real thing. Please prove me wrong, and I really hope that you do, Phaedra and CT, really. I just, yeah, I just don't.

I, anyway, I do think, I think that if this is the PR thing, then I think then of course they're gonna have him there because it will get— It'll be exciting for the show. Have some other behind-the-scenes filming tea for you guys. So we just heard, it says, "One month in to Atlanta filming, and so far it is a Phaedra take down season." It's a lot about her relationship with CT. The girls are saying it's fake, so I'm certain he'll be on the show. It says, "And the girls are saying she's not showing her real life and that she's using him as a storyline."

I object. I like to live in my mind where things are real and positive, so here's why I think it's real, and I could be a fool, but come with me on this journey. Everyone loved the Phaedra and CT relationship on The Traitors, right? They loved it. I know I did. I loved it. As, yeah, as Ariana from Next Gen would say, they made my vagina tingle. Um— Alleged— she allegedly said that, according to Charlie. Well, I totally get that, so... 'Cause that's what happened. When I watched them, it was just the best, and this was filmed in late 2023 and aired early 2024.

So if this was a PR stunt, wouldn't they strike when the iron was hot? It's two years later, practically, so can it be true that they had time away and then something just natural happened? Let me have this narrative. We'll give it to you. Um— Definitely. I— Yeah listen to me. I want it to be true as well. I don't know that I believe it, but I'm pretending to believe it. It's sort of like— Yeah when I was in fifth grade with Santa Claus. Yeah. You know what I mean? I know it's not real, but I'm going along with it because if I don't, I'm scared the presents will get cut off. Oh my God. So, listen. Yeah. Somebody mentioned to me that they don't know how his contract with Paramount works, but they don't even know if he'd be able to film.

So this is my thing. I've never thought that they're gonna go the distance. Even if there was, like, a flirt there, I always felt... Okay, honestly, I felt like it was a PR relationship. Although, there is a part of me that d— did think it's PR mixed with a flirt. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they've hooked up, but if he's not able to film at all because of his contract, then that makes me think it actually is a legit relationship because what would the upside for her be?

You know what I mean? She's gonna get demolished by the ladies. This is fake. You can't film with him. And we know that Phaedra hasn't had, since Apollo, a man film with her. So I'm befuddled, because if he's not in Baha Mar and if he isn't on this season, then what was this whole thing for if it's not real? Does that make sense? Yes, and befuddled, never heard it, but I'm gonna use it— all the time now. Is that, isn't that, is that a real word, Amanda? I don't know.

Yes. Befuddled. Yes. Yeah. Be— means confused. Here's the thing though, and like— I'm learning so much. Like, my vagina tingled— Maybe we can't say cheap shot here, guys for them as well. On Traitors, I was, like, wanting them together in a way that I haven't felt since my friends would meet the guys when we were all dating and stuff, and you just knew it was perfect for them. That's how I felt about CT and Phaedra. But Phaedra likes wealthy men, and CT's this big Boston frat boy party guy.

He's not... But opposites attract, and if he's not on this season and they're still dating, then it's gotta be real, because there is no upshot for her if he can't film. I mean, I, I think that's a big part of why I don't really buy it. I think he definitely has his partying ways, and he has a pretty messy public persona. So if you follow him on social media, you'll see him go on live when he is absolutely not sober, and sometimes the comments that he makes, his social media, he's pretty messy. So I don't know. I just... My thought is back to the thought about what Phaedra would benefit from this, is I think there might be something else she's hiding, so either another— Oh relationship that she's just not ready to talk about, something. She's got minor young children. Not young, one's in high school I think. Minors. And she, maybe she just doesn't, doesn't want what's really going on to be shared. That makes sense. But who knows? Before we go, we have to talk about the Southern Charm trailer that dropped this week.

Southern Charm Trailer and the Love Child Rumor

It looks so good. I mean, God bless Southern Charm, 'cause they just keep— putting out just great season after great season. People are flipping out about Whitney accusing one of the guys on the cast of having a secret love child. First of all, Whitney, that term is from your era. It is very outdated. What is the modern term for that? Baby daddy? Yeah. What? No. A love child? Like, secret baby? I don't know. I can't think of another way you put it other than love child.

Love child. I don't know how Whitney's having a baby with an ex-girlfriend or a girl he used to... Well, first of all, I'm just throwing out Whitner. Sorry about that. Okay, so I'll start with initially, I gotta tell you, we hadn't heard anything about this. I just assumed this was one of those things they do in reality shows. In the trailer, they throw in something really juicy, and then it ends up being much ado about nothing. A lot of you guys were actually DM'ing me going, "Oh, it's probably Shep's dog, little Craig." In other words, just a nonsense thing.

Right. However, you know who we can always count on is our Charleston people to get us the tea, and they did not disappoint. So what I'm told, couple people here, in Charleston it's rumored to be Whitner. Earlier this summer A friend who hangs out with the cast told this person that he got someone pregnant and the woman was keeping the baby. Couple of... This rumor was going around Charleston, which doesn't mean that he's having a baby, but it does mean that more than one of our cocktailers said, no, this wasn't a storyline thing, this was a rumor circulating the streets of Charleston. I have to say, I would be surprised if there were any love children because while we know that these men are Peter Pans and f***boys, they've always been able to wrap it up in the past.

They're old, all of them. I don't mean super old, but even Whitner, who's the younger one, is like 36, right? Probably started having sex when he was, I don't know, 17. He hasn't knocked anyone up yet. He's from old money, so you know they like to protect their assets, and he's a lawyer, so he knows all the pitfalls of child support and everything else. So I would just really be shocked if this comes out that there is in fact somebody who has his child and he's a daddy.

I feel like a secret love child storyline is as common as a sound bath episode or murder mystery event, a la Housewives, at this point. I don't think I'd be that surprised if it's true. Oopsie pregnancies happen all the time, even if you're a hot, smart lawyer. And I would tell him to give me a love child. I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it. We just wait for it. We walk right into it, actually. I'm sorry. Ah. I don't know. I feel like you guys are giving these guys way too much credit.

I think all it takes is 10 tequila shots and somebody to say they're on the pill and they just got tested clean for STDs, and boing, there goes the condom. I don't... I think you guys are giving, literally, I don't think any of them are... I think they're all smart, but I don't think they're all fastidious. Gosh, me with the vocab today. I'm like— I can't highly impressed. Yeah. So I don't know. I think it can totally be true, so I guess we'll see. But I do agree, I think Whitner, I think he's very handsome, and I think the good thing about Whitner, if this is true, I think I could see Whitner... 'Cause usually love child implies secret and that the person isn't taking care of the baby, and I would see Whitner being like, "Oh, well, it's not gonna work out with his mom, but we're gonna stay in each other's life, and I'll be there for the baby," kind of like Lindsay's baby daddy is with their baby.

Gemma. Gemma. Love her. Love it. Oh, right. He wasn't responsible. Well, no, he's staying, he's staying in the baby's life. No, no. He's staying in the baby's life, but I don't think his intention was to have a baby after dating someone for two months. That was my— No. Yeah point. And I— that's what I'm saying about Whitner. I can see him not having the intention to have a baby, but then being there and taking responsibility for the baby after the baby is born. So we'll see.

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