Podcast 221: B and Tracy’s night at the Real Housewives premiere; Another Summer House crossover? Wife Swap filming again?

In episode 221 of Cocktails and Gossip, B and Tracy share everything from their night at the Real Housewives Roaring 20th premiere — who they met, the best dressed, and behind-the-scenes highlights. Plus, Summer House hookup rumors, a possible franchise crossover, Jax Taylor's hilariously fake Smartwater campaign, Vicki Gunvalson family tea, Rula drama, and Wife Swap filming again.

Topics Discussed

• Real Housewives Roaring 20th Premiere — B and Tracy recap the night, who they met, best dressed, and all the highlights
• Vicki Gunvalson Family Tea — New details about Vicki's family situation
• Summer House Hookups and Crossover — Who on Summer House is making out with who, and is a franchise crossover coming?
• Jax Taylor Smartwater Campaign — Jax's fake Smartwater deal that led Smartwater to issue an actual statement
• Rula Drama — Full breakdown of the latest Rula controversy
• Wife Swap Filming — The show is filming again with new details

Mentioned in This Episode

B, Tracy, Tamra Judge, Shannon Beador, Vicki Gunvalson, Jax Taylor, Rula

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He was sending messages to so many people's inbox. He is on a full-on smear campaign against his ex, Brittany, saying she's trying to ruin his brand deals. To me, whatever your opinion is of Brittany, in this case, it's ridiculous. He did a perfectly fine job of ruining his own livelihood, his own reputation. If anything, Brittany's encouraging him to pick up cameras like we heard they were doing and film a scene because they haven't finalized their divorce. She's on the hook to pay for alimony in the divorce settlement if he's not earning. She's on the hook for all of their son's bills. So if anything, Brittany wants him to have brand deals. Any woman out there, whether you're married or divorced, we would agree we want our ex earning so that we don't have to take care of their bills, and so that they can help provide for our children.

Welcome to Cocktails and Gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we're gonna spill the tea. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from bravoandcocktails.com. And as always, it's all alleged and just for fun. We do not verify our blinds. I'm B. And I'm Amanda. Let's get into this week's tea.

Inside the Real Housewives Roaring 20th Premiere

What's up, Cocktailers? Hello, Amanda. Hello, Tracy. Hi, B. Hi, Cocktailers. Hi, Tracy. So happy that you're joining us, 'cause guys, B and Tracy went to the ultimate girls trip Roaring 20th party last night. Dying to hear about it. I am so tired. Even though Tracy and I told each other we were gonna behave, I think Tracy actually behaved more than I did. It's possible. I wouldn't remember. I wasn't bad, 'cause I wanted to have my wits about me, but you know what my thing is? This is old lady chat. It's the time I go to sleep. What time did we get home, Trace? I never look at the time. I think it might've been anywhere between 10:00 and 11:30. And then I came home, and my husband was up, and we were hanging out and chatting. So I went to bed late. That plus the alcohol. It's hard coming off a night like that to then go immediately to bed. You need something to help you wind down because it's such a rush. And for me, it was a High Noon. That didn't help. I told my husband stories this morning, and he said, "Yep, you told me that last night." Well, first of all, hello, cocktailers. What a night. I feel like I came out of what I could best describe as a Bravo housewife fever dream.

And I know that we're gonna save a lot of the juicy stuff for Cocktail Party because, of course, when people tell me, a couple martinis in, not to share, I say things like, "But I could share with just our subscribers, right?" And they're drunk, so they're like, "Yes, but don't post it." So this is gonna be a Cocktail-only audio situation, not even a cocktail post. And of course, on our Zoom, which is not recorded. And just a reminder, 'cause every time we get new cocktailers, welcome. One of the top questions is why don't we record our Zooms? Well, if you've been to a Zoom, you get it. We have some Bravolebrities' one-night stands come in and tell us in great detail what happened. And they don't want that recorded, and I don't blame them. I'd rather have that real juicy scoop happening at our Zooms than record them. We've had mistresses pop in. Lots of things happen on those Zooms. And what happens in the Zoom has to stay in the Zoom. It's digital Vegas.

Okay, so anything else that we can share not in Cocktail Party? Well, you walk in. So we went with Ally and Larry. Shout out to @Bravobygays and @Bravoafterthoughts. We met up for a cocktail. We walk in and, first of all, the space was awesome. So the last couple Hulu events have been at The Corner Store, which the setup would never fit. There was so much talent there plus creators. But it was a great setup because it was a square-shaped room. It was huge. There were areas if you wanted your privacy, which I have a funny story. So I see a banquette. Like a big booth, and I'm like, "Ooh, we're gonna go here." So Ally, Bravo After Thoughts, is like, "Are we allowed to?" I'm like, "What are you talking about? Why wouldn't we be allowed to?" She's like, "Because we're not talent." I was like, "The hell with that. We're sitting here." And they brought us our own food, and then Kiki Monique comes over, who we finally met in person. Love her. Her hair is everything. She's fabulous. And she was like, "B, can we sit here?" I'm like, "Kiki, what is with you people? Yes, we can sit here." Nobody moved us. It was fine. And the food was good. The place was The Lobster Club, and I saw on the menu they had these Wagyu sandwiches, and I said to B, "All I need in my life is a Wagyu sandwich." And I had three of them. Well, they were bite-sized, guys. It was a GLP-1 size for me.

Vicki Gunvalson Family Tea

But just the sheer amount of people there. When we walked in, we immediately saw Melissa, who remembered me from Vulture. There's a reason that they're so successful, because they know how to work a room. She stayed to the very end. She was the last talent there, Melissa Gorga. Erin Lichy, Cynthia Bailey. They're all gorgeous. They're all fit. But Cynthia Bailey, show-stopping, which I told her about five times, and I don't think she likes me. I didn't tell her who I was, but I think I annoyed her. Could you hate somebody who walks by you and goes, "You are the most incredible woman I've ever seen"? But I guess by the fourth time, I think she was walking around with security. She's stunning. It's not normal. And the other thing, they're all just as they are. Vicki has that annoyed, anxiety-ridden walk where she shakes past people and is like, "Hi, yeah, hi." Luann is like, "Darling." She walked in and I was like, "Hey, Lu," and she looked at me like, "Who the hell are you?" But we all feel like we know these people, and I definitely recognize that it must be weird for them to receive that energy.

It's just like in real life if you've met somebody before, like I know somebody from the gym, and then you see them in a completely different context and it takes a minute. So I can imagine she's probably in her head, "Do I know her? Am I supposed to know her?" Because they're the ones on TV. Have you guys ever done this? You're on Facebook and you have a friend from high school who's married, and so you see her husband all the time, and you've never met him, and he has no idea who you are. And then you see him in the supermarket and you're like, "Hey," not even realizing that you don't really know him. That happens to my husband all the time, 'cause I'm an over-poster. It also happens to my sister-in-law. A friend of mine from high school went running over to her at a wake, and she's like, "I don't think we've ever met in person. I just feel like I know you." I feel like I have partial face blindness. If somebody's wearing glasses, I'll reintroduce myself to them. So embarrassing though, 'cause it makes me look like a bitch, and I am not. I just sometimes don't recognize people.

But it was fabulous, and Tracy kept going the whole night, "B, why is Andy still here?" I'm like, "It's his event." No, but I felt like we knew he was gonna be there, but I was shocked that he stayed the whole time. He was on the Today Show this morning. He must be exhausted, but he was just hanging out and having conversations with people. Well, he's in his element, and he has to give all those women face time. And thank you to Bravo Television, they were so generous to the creators and friendly. The event was for the creators as much as it was for the talent, which is why I personally had no issue sitting in the banquette.

Well, we're gonna save the good stuff for Cocktail Party, but I still need a little more. I saw a picture of the Next Gen cast. Did you get a chance to talk to them? Oh, I did. So I don't know if I told this story, how I got locked in the bathroom on the way to BravoCon and how Brooks saved my life. So I saw them all sitting together at a table, and this old lady coming up to these hot youngins, and I'm like, "Brooks, it's me. Tracy, you saved me from this bathroom." And he was like, "Oh, yeah, I remember." And they're like, "Well, what's the story?" And Ariana was there, the whole cast. And I tell the story: "I went in the bathroom, the plane has not taken off, I couldn't get off, I was banging on the door, the door swings open, it's Brooks, he saved my life, and then I realized, of course, I had to push the door." So they all laughed, and I'm like, great opportunity for a selfie with everyone. I wanted to hook Ally, Bravo After Thoughts, up with Shy. I think I was drunker than I'm remembering. Because she's 27 and she's like, "He's too young for me." I'm like, that would be like me saying Craig is too young for me. And she was like, "Please don't." Was Charlie there? I did not see Charlie. Gina Kirscher was in that picture. She's so gorgeous. I think Ariana is just so gorgeous too. And Hudson was not there, so do with that what you will. 'Cause we know they got back together, but that was a while ago, and a lot of stuff's coming out on the show. I don't think girls or boys typically go into detail about their hookups during a split, and I can't picture then having to get back together and watch it on television. I would imagine it would cause unrest in the love connection.

Of the women, the seven housewives who went on the road trip, did they all hang together at the party? Who seemed closest? They were hanging together and dancing together, and it seems like Dorinda and Luann were together a lot, but everyone was also doing their own thing and mingling with the creators. So everyone was working the room. Actually, Karen Huger kind of kept to herself. There's levels, right? Kyle took pictures with everybody, and Karen was perfectly friendly, but she was sitting. There was an area of couches where some of them sat, whereas others were really in there. She was a come-to-me kind of person. Who was best dressed? Oh my God, Melissa Gorga. And Erin, I would say. But in totally different ways. Melissa Gorga's more my speed. You know I'm a gaudy girl, the sparkles. She had on a skin-tight beautiful gown that was nude with silver sparkles over it. It was amazing. And then Erin had on a white linen look, which I personally couldn't pull off, but looked amazing on her. She could wear a garbage bag and make it look amazing. And shout out to her fake boobs because she posted about them. They are so natural looking. Oh, we have to talk about Stacey's boobs. They were like perfect globes. They were obviously fake, but she must have had a really good starter boob. She must have had a good set, and then maybe after her daughter she got a lift and put an implant in, but they looked so good because she had a nice boob to start. Anybody worse dressed? I didn't think so, but a lot of people are commenting on Kyle Richards's pictures, saying, "Why are her boobs always squished?" She had one of those dresses where they have the metal on top. If she doesn't constantly pull up the dress, it looks like her boobs are squished. I thought the dress was gorgeous. That's probably partly why she was sitting too. I'm sure that top was really heavy.

Okay. As we mentioned, we're gonna save the real tea for Cocktail Party. Listen to our bonus pod or join Cocktail Party. You can join for your first month for $5 with code MYTREAT, and then it will go back up to 7.50, but it might be worth it just to join to get all the real tea from this.

Summer House Hookups and a Possible Crossover

Okay, so let's move into our usual chat. We've been getting a lot of tea about Summer House, because it's filming. We got some intel that Bailey made out with the newbie cast member. His name is Relly. He's a photographer. I'm guessing he is there to be more of a bridge to Kyle and Carl because he's not in his 20s. So we heard that he and Bailey made out, and then a video came up. I don't know if they're a thing or if it was just a simple make-out. It was the Friday of last weekend at Kyle's DJ event. But I love the mess that hookups bring because you know that they're gonna address it in the house. And everyone else is wondering whether Ciara and Shaboozey are a thing or they just have good chemistry with a side of good PR. Oh my God, I want those two together so bad. The Jimmy Fallon moment with the kiss, I was like, "I really hope they're kissing." Bailey, I'm all for her making out and doing whatever she wants this season 'cause I feel like she got the short end of the stick when it came to Ben last season, and I ship her and Carl, but I guess they're friend-zoned. I think Carl is into Mia. I know that when she was on his pod, she said something like, "I have such a crush on you, Carl." It kind of seemed like it was more a compliment to him being such a great guy than really romantic. But his reaction when he's asked about Bailey, I think it's pretty clear based on how he's answered it more than one time, including at the reunion, that he doesn't see her as somebody that's his type to date. And that's not a hit at Bailey at all. With Mia, I noticed it at the reunion too, like he lights up. I think that Carl, a la Lindsay, likes somebody with a bolder personality and more outgoing, and I feel like Mia could fit that bill. You've met Mia. She is gorgeous, but they're all gorgeous. But she's a very warm person. It's interesting when you meet these people, who's nice, who's nice and professional polite, and who just has this naturally warm way about them. Mia, naturally very inviting. That's why I remember at the reunion I was laughing when Sierra was like, "She picks up strays." Yes, she does. I was one of them. She's just lovable and she loves people. I love her with Carl. And I may have completely just made that up in my head, but let's float it out there.

I know nobody asked me my opinion, but I think Ciara and Shaboozey, I think it's just really good PR. I definitely think they have some chemistry, but I saw a picture of them where he has his arm around her, but it is a stiff arm, where he is clearly trying to be respectful. I also think Ciara's a little too guarded to date such a celebrity. And I don't know Shaboozey. I think he's beautiful. I like his music. I don't have any tea on him personally, but we just know that musicians, as a general rule, are on the road a lot. They have a lot of attention from women, and I sort of see Ciara with somebody a little bit more low-key. I want her to be with a powerful, based-in-New-York-but-travels business person. Somebody who has their own thing so that they can do some of the traveling with her. Somebody else who doesn't feel like they need the spotlight. I just would like to see her with somebody without groupies. Again, I'm not taking a hit at Shaboozey. I just don't think, knowing Ciara, and especially post-scandal, I see her trusting it. Also, what would their couple name be? I love saying the word Shaboozey. And I like the song.

Okay, so other Summer House stuff. This all came together yesterday, and I was super tempted to ask Erin, but I didn't. They're filming Summer House, but Lindsay and Jesse were spotted by one of our own cocktailers eating at Heathrow Airport in London. So if you're eating, that means you're on a layover. My initial thought was, huh, Traitors, we're hearing September filming for celebrity reality TV Traitors. I also don't see them picking two people from Summer House. So I posted publicly that they were spotted, and a source who has given us correct intel before told me that they heard there was a crossover trip with Below Deck. So then I was like, that's interesting because Ciara's glam squad just got to LA, so wouldn't she be going on the crossover trip? Which brought me to Ciara's Thread post which said, "If I can make it through this crazy 48 hours, I'm getting myself a treat 'cause it's gonna be crazy." So in my head I'm like, oh right, because you're going from New York to Cali for whatever she's got there, which I think is probably something to do with Shaboozey. And then she's hopping on a flight to go on this crossover trip, which the purpose would be Lindsay's 40th birthday. I think that this is a genius idea. I don't have a full confirm on it, but if it's true, you heard it here first. We've heard Kyle say on Watch What Happens Live that they have been campaigning with production to get a trip for Summer House, but they've always been told no. And now that they're the golden children over at Bravo and are nominated for an Emmy. Lindsay's been pushing for a cast trip for years, so I hope it is what we think it is because just give me a shirtless Captain Jason and Lindsay Lindsay-ing on a boat. Any captain. Topless. Let's just do it.

Jax Taylor's Fake Smartwater Campaign

Okay, you guys, we have to talk about the thing that both confused and amused all of us this week. So Jax Taylor, formerly of The Valley and Vanderpump Rules, faked a Smartwater campaign this week. Of course he's claiming that he got duped. He posted, "Look, I got the deal off of here." And the website he showed was a screenshot in his stories. It is actually a site where brands and creators can connect and do campaigns together. It's more for UGC, user-generated content, smaller creators. The site's called videoforce.ai. So just because it's a .ai site for its URL doesn't mean it's a fake site. There are legit brands there. I did not see Smartwater on the list of their brands, and Smartwater actually came out and confirmed in an official statement, which I found really funny, that he is not a brand ambassador and his "sponsored post" was completely unauthorized. So I now have a theory, because I think that website is real, but I think Jax is probably lying. I think he and Lori K, his girlfriend/publicist, plotted this because they are trying to clean up his image, increase his influencer profile, and did this video so he can then use it to show other brands, "Hey, I'm a legit influencer for legitimate brands." She's trying to scrub up his image, because I would imagine he might be one of the only clients that she has left. If I were her client, I would be letting her go as my publicist because there are so many great professional publicists who don't screw their clients in the bathroom. And he has to start earning money because she gave up her client Brittany, who was actually bringing in money, for her broke client Jax. She was primarily Bachelor Nation. Many of them have been outspoken saying that they cut ties with her a while back because of her unprofessionalism, so this is not a rogue experience. In what world are we to believe that Smartwater, which is owned by Coca-Cola, would do a campaign with a reality star known for being abusive, using drugs, and canceled from Bravo now twice? The motivation, I think, was for him to post it and have other smaller brands look at it and go, "Oh, wow. Smartwater's working with Jax Taylor? Well, then we can hire him." He is on a full-on smear campaign against his ex, Brittany, saying she's trying to ruin his brand deals. Whatever your opinion is of Brittany, in this case it's ridiculous. He did a perfectly fine job of ruining his own reputation. If anything, Brittany's encouraging him to pick up cameras and film a scene, because they haven't finalized their divorce. She's on the hook to pay alimony if he's not earning. She's on the hook for all of their son's bills. So if anything, Brittany wants him to have brand deals. So we could think whatever we want about Brittany, but in this case it's an obvious smear campaign that I find to be meritless. He just can't get out of his own way. All he had to do, all she had to direct him to do is take care of your health, be a better man, be respectful to the mother of your child, show growth and change, and give it time. But he only tells us the truth about one thing, and it's showing us how he'll never change. It wasn't even his voice in the voiceover. It wasn't even good content. But blaming it on Brittany, that's pathetic. Jax, maybe you need to consider who is advising you, because that ain't it, dude.

Okay, so something else interesting from Orange County, and it's been getting a ton of press. Vicki and her son Michael. He shares that he hasn't seen his sister Briana in eight years. And people started going into his social media to look at comments. He explains that although he's tried to visit Briana, it's not because they have a bad relationship, but Briana has said no. And we all remember Briana's husband, Ryan. I remember him being very controlling, and I found him a little bit scary. There was that scene where he screamed at Lydia's mom because she put her feet on Vicki's couch. That clip has been recirculating. They've always been kind of strange on social media. They've moved a lot. And we have watched enough reality TV to know that isolating a person from their family is never good. It can also be a sign of much worse things, and that's what it appears that he is doing. Vicki actually made a statement yesterday. She said basically Ryan didn't like how he appeared on reality television, so he has no interest. And Andy even reached out to Briana 'cause he was hoping she would come on and do a scene with her mom, and she said, "Lose my number." Here's something really interesting. A cocktailer reached out and she said, "Do you notice on the OC when Vicki says Briana lives in Oklahoma? She hasn't lived in Oklahoma in years. She lives in Texas now." And I think that's another way that Vicki is probably not allowed to say anything about Briana and wants to just keep it to the old information. They now have four children. He's always wanting to move. A couple of years ago, there was a lot of drama online between him and Vicki. Vicki did something very Vicki and not cool, which is she announced that they were having a girl. So Ryan got very upset. They see Don a lot. Apparently Ryan and Don are very close. I don't think that Vicki sees Briana and her kids all that much, or perhaps she does and is just not allowed to discuss it, because she no longer posts them at all. It's very sad. I don't blame Michael. I think he loves his sister, but he also recognizes that he's not gonna insert his opinion where it's not wanted, and he also doesn't wanna watch his sister be controlled. Michael has publicly commented on posts, and the bottom line is Ryan doesn't like him. His distance is not from a lack of love for his sister, but just the fact that Ryan doesn't allow it and he has no choice. I feel bad for Vicki. All she wants in life is to have her love tank filled. She can't pick the right man, and to hear that there's all these family issues, it just breaks my heart. And I also feel like the apple does not fall far from the tree when it comes to Briana being with Ryan. Vicki and Briana both choose these controlling men. I mean, except for Don. I don't think Don was controlling. They got divorced because she wasn't getting the love and attention she wanted. But did we see enough of Don to know? He did seem a little more laid back. We also know that Vicki admitted on the show that she cheated on Don. Which we all speculated, but she actually confirmed it. I'm sad for Vicki, too. Whatever people's opinions are on Vicki, what we can't take away from her is that she is an incredibly successful businesswoman who loves her children, and she raised them in large part on her own. I'm sure Ryan convinces Briana that her mother's behavior is what has caused them not to have the closest relationship, and I'm sure he says the same about Michael. But every parent deserves a relationship with their child. So do I agree with her saying the baby's gender? No. Would I write off my mother because of that? Also no.

While we're on the topic of OC, we got some exclusive intel about Carmella, the new person on OC, her live-in boyfriend. She shared on the show that there has been infidelity, and we're hearing that allegedly it may be more of a routine thing for him. We got from a source: "About that new West Coast Housewives live-in boyfriend, he cheated with a very young girl, like 22 years old, and there were many other young girls, and it was, let's just say, deviant. She was aware but didn't leave him." Again, allegedly. But the fact that she admitted it on camera and got ahead of it. She first talks about how she left her first husband 'cause she caught him cheating. She then says things have been on and off with her live-in boyfriend because there had been infidelity on his part. In my head, I immediately was like, "Oh, there's gonna be stuff coming out," because you don't admit that if it happened once and you're moving past it. You do your best to hide it, a la Jen Aydin. Whereas if it's a more routine thing, a la Brian "The Foot" Ponnarelli, you're gonna get ahead of it. Question for the class: Is there an illness where women who are smart, attractive, and worth it all date and marry men that cheat and do disgusting things on Bravo? Because I think many women on Bravo are suffering from a Real Housewife disorder, and the main symptom is relationship scandals. I definitely think a lot of women in general fall into this trap. The guys that are cheaters are also very seemingly devoted at first, so it takes these women by surprise. But specifically for housewives, my theory is I think the nice normal men don't want anything to do with that kind of public life. We saw that happen with Lindsay from Summer House. Her boyfriend really wanted nothing to do with it. I've been thinking of it as almost like a curse. If you take on the Real Housewives life, maybe you have to trade it for never being able to have a nice normal man in your life again. Because these women, once the cameras start coming around, only seem to attract narcissistic, self-interested, scene-stealing men. It's almost like a deal with the devil. You get the fame and the fun, but you have to pay a price. And Ramona was very open about it. She said once she was off Housewives, she was able to meet somebody, and the nice normal guys weren't interested, and the sorts of guys she attracted were Harry Dubin-esque or Tom D'Agostino. We could name a laundry list of unsavory men. The three of us have nice husbands. My husband would not participate if I signed up for a reality show. Same. Also, all of us have handsome and nice-looking husbands. Cheers to that. We just did a case study.

The Rula Drama Breakdown

So B, this Rhode Island thing with Rula and Brian and the ex-mistress on social media has been so wildly entertaining. The ex-mistress was on one this last weekend. She was showing pictures on her stories of her and Brian in bathing suits, kissing, hugging. One of the captions said, "You seem very happy during what you claim was the darkest time of your life." That was pointed at Brian. She also admitted the affair lasted for two and a half years. So one would think if Rula wants this story not to continue as they're filming season two, she would just not engage. But Rula engaged. She posted a picture of the mistress doing some strange dance with a guy, not her husband, and captioned it, "This is the attempted home wrecker, Beth Karen Walker from Cranston, Rhode Island. Here she is having fun with @therealirishcowboy," some C-D list influencer from Rhode Island, "who was foolish enough to waste his time with her. Good luck, bud. Take her. Please take her." Rula did take that down and edited the caption. The Irish Cowboy posted a video from a party in retaliation. At that party, there was a T-shirt being handed out with a bad picture of Brian saying he's Creepy Brian. What I'm thinking is the mistress is hearing that Rula and Brian are still talking about her while filming, and this is her response. Because she commented, "Why should I stop posting when they're profiting off me by bringing our affair up on camera?" And another source reached out to say, "Don't be fooled by what Rula's posting online. She's also in the DMs of that cowboy plotting and planning how to take down the mistress." Rula isn't letting this go, and for the life of me, I can't imagine why. Because it's breathing life into something that she doesn't want addressed. All of this over a sweaty foot. Rula then has both Real Housewife disorder and Housewife Posting Syndrome. Rula, get off Instagram and start looking up divorce lawyers. Take a step back and look at the awesome opportunity of being on The Real Housewives. But Rula, protect yourself, because you have a career. I wouldn't want Lori as a publicist. I wouldn't want Rula as a wealth manager, because if you can't manage your own emotions publicly. We see this happen so often with affairs. Rula is so mad about this affair, but she's directing her energy in the wrong place. Sometimes it's directed at the messenger. Rula was pissed at Jo Ellen, but now she's directing this anger at the mistress. I really feel like she needs to take a harder look at herself and why she hasn't taken any real action against Brian, like a trial separation. Here's the bottom line. I judge women who have affairs with married men, 100%. But it is my husband's responsibility to be faithful, no one else's. Never mind a woman I don't know. I only understand the sort of rage Rula is expressing towards the mistress if this person was her best friend or, in Jo Ellen's case, her sister. This woman owes you nothing, so for you to forgive your husband and then continue engaging and wishing this vitriol on her doesn't make sense. These people are insane. We're legit on 20 years of Housewives. We could write the script on how it's gonna end. Stop prolonging your happiness. There's something better for you out there. Date somebody that is not normal but faithful. Do what Bronwyn's doing. Hook up with some young, hot guys. Maybe she's stubborn, or she just really doesn't want to become another example of how you get 'em is how you lose 'em, and she's determined to "win," which, if the sweaty foot is the prize, I don't understand.

Speaking of marital trouble, a couple weeks ago we heard that Angie from Salt Lake City and her husband Sean were separated. She has not come out and said anything one way or the other, so I think we have to assume it's true. Tracy, were you surprised? Oh my God, I was very surprised, and so sad. You'd think by now nothing would surprise you, but this one seemed very different. I just hope Electra's gonna be okay and you hope that they'll be able to be amicable for the children. But I thought it was real messed up about Lisa and Meredith posting after. Double woof on that. I really thought that was so tacky. I was also surprised at how a lot of cocktailers were not. They were like, "Eh, she ignored him." I was like, "Yeah, but they're married 27 years." Then, as we do every year around this time, Whitney has to come out talking about her strained marriage. So a neighbor reached out and said, "Listen, B." They're still in the same house, and moreover, we know a lot of people can't afford to move out if they separate. But they're still hanging out, going out to dinner. The neighbor is like they are either working through this rough patch, but they're living as a married couple, doing things as a family, and as a couple. Maybe two things are true. Maybe they are having trouble in their marriage, but they're trying to make things work and are conscientious about how they appear in public. There was no public statement from Whitney or Justin either. Page Six and Us Weekly reported that they were separated, but we haven't heard that from the couple themselves. I'm just saying that maybe Whitney and Justin are trying to fix things.

Atlanta finale. So Cocktailers, a lot of you told us that you felt a little bored this season. Although we had a couple on Discord say they absolutely loved the season, which surprised me. I loved the Scotland episodes. But we're hearing that there will be casting changes. We're hearing Shamea will not be back. Kelly may be cut or in a minimized role, and there's the rumor about NeNe coming back. Here's the deal. Andy went on his Sirius show and said all these cast rumors aren't true, "We love this cast. What you're seeing is what you can plan on getting next season." Is Andy always 100% truthful on his Sirius show? No. Sometimes he shuts down rumors that we later find out are true. But if NeNe is coming back, why wasn't she there last night? Shamea was there. So there's two things it could be. Shamea was on the girls trip. There are other women who were there who are not currently on a Housewife cast, such as Luann and Dorinda. So it's possible that Shamea was invited because of the show she was on, but doesn't mean she's gonna be on Atlanta. I am on the side of please bring NeNe back. I love her. I'm just not confident it's gonna happen. Maybe they're gonna see how the audience reacts to her on Road Trip. NeNe being back would have me tuning in hard. I love Atlanta, but this season felt flat. I love me the lesbian love story with Porsha. But no matter what, Real Housewives is like pizza. Even when it's bad, it's good. And sex.

Wife Swap Is Filming Again

And I wanna end on a really cool exclusive that we got yesterday and we believe to be true, because then we got additional intel. I got a message from one of you guys in my DMs, and it said, "Hey, B. Angela Oakley was spotted filming in June at my gym in Pennsylvania." I was really confused. And then she said she couldn't get details, but she's hearing it was something Wife Swap. So I'm like, "Oh, that would make perfect sense," because that's what the wives did. Then somebody wrote to me and said, "Guess what? Stephanie Hollman also just got back from filming Wife Swap." And I was like, "Wow, they really dug into the relics." But you have to actually be married, and you need kids living in your home. Stephanie fits that bill. Angela doesn't really fit that bill. But we can riff later about who we would want on it. I loved the housewife swap. I'm just bummed I didn't get a chance to do the wife swap with Angela because I know Charles Oakley and I would be happy to let him cook me dinner, 'cause that's his thing. And clean your ceiling. That would be a really fun one because he's so funny. Another thing about Atlanta, why don't they leave Angela's damn marriage alone? I feel like they're overly aggressive about it. You can tell the cast, they're just not really getting along. It's beyond mad. It's like too many of them don't like each other, and there's not enough good bonds. I like all of the women. I don't like the way the group is coming together. I like Kelly. She is a pint-sized princess. I don't know how she doesn't fall over with those tits. It defies the laws of gravity. She's got a strong back. Such a cute outfit, and her smile is just beautiful. And she's an example, they're all nice, but some people are warm. She was so warm. But I don't like her on the show, and I think it's a result of the Shamea friendship feeling more like an allyship than a friendship. Just like the whole Angela and Mira thing. I think it's because of Phaedra. I feel like Phaedra is behind that, and I don't like it. I love Phaedra on TV. I was so happy to see her on Traitors. I will never forget the whole situation that happened with Kandi. I do think Phaedra, as fun as she is to watch and master of the one-liner, has a mean streak. Agreed.

We love you guys. And thank you, Tracy, for joining us today. Of course. Thanks for having me. Till next time. Bye.

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