171. Lindsay Hubbard’s spinoff? Podcast exclusive RHOC tea; RHONJ filming and casting intel

In Episode 171 of the Cocktails and Gossip podcast, Amanda and B investigate whether Lindsay Hubbard is getting her own spinoff, share a podcast-exclusive RHOC tea bomb, and deliver RHONJ filming and casting intel. Plus: Summer House and Valley cast updates, Vanderpump Rules reunion fallout, Katie and Tom divorce updates, Teresa Giudice vs Melissa Gorga feud, and Bravo stars' wildest dating and drunk moments.

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Lindsay Hubbard Spinoff Rumors

Summer House and Valley Cast Updates

Vanderpump Rules Reunion Fallout

Bravo Stars Dating and Drunk Moments

Katie Maloney and Tom Schwartz Divorce Updates

Podcast Exclusive RHOC Tea

RHONJ Filming and Casting Intel

Teresa Giudice and Melissa Gorga Feud

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and as always, it's all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I'm B and I'm Amanda. Let's get into this week's team.
Oh cocktails. What a week. What a scoop. Lots of scoops, lots of stuff to talk about. Hi v hi cock tailors, Hi Amanda, hi guys. I mean, there's, it's, I think it was a couple weeks ago that I was like somebody, I think everybody got back from vacation and just decided to start emailing us. And this week has just been for Bravo fans. There's all kinds of stuff coming in from all different kinds of places. But here's the thing, though, that I want to say before we even get into all of the emails, which we're not even going to be able to get into, some of them, we'll sing for cocktail we're going to get the most important ones here. But something's happening. Somebody is sending us detailed stuff that, like the Beverly Hills, one that we got, which you and I haven't even discussed, I know, yeah, I didn't know Adrian Maloof was filming. And then after I got that email and posted it, there's a picture of Boz and Adrian, and I'm like, Oh, my God, they're filming together. Yeah? Like, I mean, whoever you are, love you. We and we will. We will shout it far and wide, so keep it coming. Cocktails, you know, like this is where you get the best scoop. I mean, a lot of other shows and a lot of other, I guess bloggers, you know, have snarky comments about shows, but we have the real tea and then it's just the truth. Because if you guys, we have snarky comments too. We do. That's true. We you got it all here. Come to I also, I haven't even discussed with you, but I also am hearing that things are firming up in Jersey, so we'll get to that too. I know that's, that's a that's, yeah, we'll get to that as well. So let's start out with the Lindsay things, I think that was, I think for me, like some of the biggest news this week. Well, cocktails and you and I, we love summer house. We love getting all that scoop, because it really does change so quickly in that space. Who's on the show, who's doing this, who's doing that? Lindsay Hubbard is filming her spin off beginning September 1. So guys, I got this message in my DMs. This person is reliable. I have not been told by anybody. Hey, that scoop is totally wrong. So one would assume that if it was food.
Easy as sometimes things are. Sometimes we get but the Fugazi stuff comes from emails, not from reliable sources, right? So I asked some questions. Amanda. I was like, Okay, what do you mean? Who's on it? What are we doing? Yes. I mean, we know summer house in the summer in the city. We know something's coming, who, what, when, where and why is what we don't know. So what I'm hearing is that it's her real life friends, meaning people, not on summer house, but surely people we've seen her post on Instagram. And Lindsay has a lot of girlfriends that she posts. As a matter of fact, she's at gurneys in Montauk right now with one of her friends, Yvonne, major, major, I believe her name is, and she's in the wood about her for years. And yes, yeah, yeah. And as a matter of fact, somebody told me that she's the friend that they were referencing when Paige said that Carl told her Lindsay tried to mess up a photo shoot for her, or something of that nature. So she's in the mix. Yeah, I was told by somebody separately that they're talking to a couple of her friends. One is from college, but one is due, like now or very soon, to have a baby, so she likely won't be on it. Coincidentally, right after we posted this, Lindsay posted pictures from her house warming in her kitchen. A lot of you guys noticed there were some lights up that were definitely not part of like her lighting in her home, right? Do we think they're filming like ahead of September 1? Yeah, why wouldn't they? She's under contract. Kyle was at that party. We didn't see Amanda in any of the pictures, but we did see Amanda post a picture of herself, and the caption was, summer handshake city.
Yeah. Do we see Sierra? Do we see Gabby? I'm gonna assume. But again, guys, all I know is that Lindsay is filming a spin off. So, yeah, so this is, I think you, one of the questions I had was, if we knew why it's just Lindsay? And obviously it can't be just Lindsay. And of course, there's going to be
at least cameos from some of the other folks. And it was interesting too. Kyle posted a picture of Lindsay from God. It was like, maybe from 10 years ago on summer house, and he said something like, Oh, I'm just feeling nostalgic. Like I've never seen him post Lindsay, just a picture of Lindsay in his life. So I was like something that is odd just on its own, but makes a little bit more sense, especially if this is mostly about Lindsay. Listen, we got on the show, but we said, Remember when somebody gave us the tea that Lindsay's new apartment is a couple of blocks walking distance from Kyle and Amanda, yeah, yeah, in the financial district. So Ta da, oh my gosh, that apartment is so beautiful. Really easy for her, yeah? So, I mean, I guess we're gonna see what this is gonna look like. I'm hoping we're gonna get some more tea, as we usually do, as things get filming. But if people are, if they're filming in New York City, like past today, we're gonna know that something's up. Because unless you know, like a couple years ago, when Carl and Lindsay broke up, they picked back cameras up, but generally, they're pretty much done by end of August, and definitely not filming in the city anymore. So Something's Afoot. So here's where I'm imagining in my head. There we watch Lindsay pack up, get out of there. They leave summer house, and it leads right into the Lindsay spin off. I think probably it's something like production stays up a little bit longer. Maybe we're not going to get a 10 episode season. Maybe we get a few episodes with her real life friends again. I think I would be willing to put money on the fact that we see Kyle and Amanda. I don't have that confirmed. It just makes sense. So we see this is like Lindsay's transition out of summer house moving forward, we we've done they've done this before. Beverly Hills, Lennon, tapander, pump rules, iconic. I'm like, it's I'm seeing this all in my head, but what I also see is Yara remaining the anchor. So you guys will remember a while back the summer in the city, email basically said this, right? It said that some of them are gonna transition out after this summer, and they're gonna keep some back west Jesse Yara become the anchors of summer house. Now, this is the plan. This is all based on what the email said, based on this. This is all, of course, hinged on how the new people are received, right? I don't think we see Sierra full time on the spin off and I.
I venture to say it could be a Sheena on the valley situation with Kyle and Amanda, where they may want to pull them back over to summer house for next summer. If they need them, if they feel they can do without them, then they'll go more to the spin off. So I think this is all in flux based on audience reception, yeah, I think that Lindsay's got a lot riding on this spin off. Because I think that, while the other people can go either way, I think that Lindsay's time in the summer is done and she's all her eggs are in this basket, yeah, but I think she has such an interesting story to tell, and she, you know, we know she makes great TV. But I mean, and she'll get other people on there that make great TV. Like, yeah, Kyle and Amanda are like, we're gonna stick with summer house at if Sierra, she's like, Okay, well, we have this friend, this friend and this friend, and they have young kids and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, yeah. But also, I mean, imagine seeing maybe Lindsay date again and just trying to manage all of her new life with her baby. So I, you know, I love, I love this idea. I think, you know, none of us is all that surprising to me, because we've been talking about this. Of course, it has to have been in the works for a long time, you know, contacts and production teams and all of that. So that all makes sense to me. I think the thing that was the most surprising to me is that it was being called Lindsay spin off, versus more of an ensemble in the city kind of show. So I think we'll just see. And again, that's how the person worded it in my DMs about me. You know what I'm saying. So there may be a bigger picture, but it seems that Lindsay is central. And a lot of people have said, Can Lindsay carry a show? And it's not going to be Lindsay carrying a show, but it's going to be her having to figure out who's interesting enough to carry it with her. And I think that if these episodes go well and we all tune in, I think Amanda and Kyle are going to be like, Yes, get us there. Like, I don't think they necessarily want to be in summer house, but they want that machine that's going to give them the publicity, right? Yeah. And then I think it can look like Kyle and Amanda popping in for a weekend. You know what I'm saying? I do think that they're going to that production and Bravo is going to want to keep Sierra out in summer house. I mean, if we're looking at the valley as the playbook for how to do a successful spin off from another show, then you know, you you do. You surround it like one central person or a couple, which would have been Jax and Brittany on the valley. And now we have Lindsay in the city. We have Sheena and Brock and Lala dropping in sometimes, which could be Amanda and Kyle, possibly Paige, possibly Sierra. We know Lindsay's good friends, even with Weston Jesse. So I'm gonna say we're not seeing Paige. I think Paige is I don't know if we'll see Paige on Bravo again. And what's she? On my part, she'll be a producer, like I would. We all want her. I just don't think she needs it anymore. Yeah, she's a boss ass baddie. But yeah, I mean, I think this all makes sense. The valley was so successful, and then so yeah, and Lindsay is dynamic and has a lot of other interesting friends. I think everybody liked that. We got to see a bunch of new people on the show on the valley. So it all makes sense to me. So I think, I think that all fits a pattern. It's funny, because I feel for so long we've been talking about the parallel of how they could do with summer house, what they did with Vanderpump and so in real time, an entirely new cast is filming Vanderpump. Now, I think summer house formula is a little different in that you have people like West and Jesse who haven't been there as long, so they don't need an of complete overhaul, which I think it's preferable not to have a full overhaul. I agree. So it's happening, guys, and you heard in the words of Sheena, Shea, it's all happening, yes. Oh, speaking of Sheena, what am I doing? Quoting her? Okay, so we promised you guys we would talk about this. Quite a funny email that we got on Tuesday evening just as the valley was finishing up. Because, you know, we got to keep that spotlight hot. So I have to read this. It says it's from hit list subject bothered bloggers, all the hate for Janet, yet she was on the carpet for a Netflix premiere last night, some new show about the Dallas Cowboys, but Jasmine, who was a former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, was nowhere in sight. Love her or hate her. Janet is the moment, and the bothered bloggers will stay bothered behind paywalls. B or do you think they're talking about us? Are we the.
Ones behind the are we bothered? First of all, Jasmine was out of town. First Second of all, there isn't any part of me that's surprised that Janet would be at a Netflix premiere. Janet is currently on a reality show. She's going to be invited to premieres and such. Obviously, I don't know I'm not Janet does bother me, because I don't care for her, but her being in a Netflix premiere. First of all, I didn't know she was in a Netflix premiere, but that doesn't bother me. I just there's no one other than Janet or Jason who would send this. Maybe Sheena, maybe all together, it cracked me up. I actually just needed to immediately get it out, so I put it on my channel. I don't know if you guys it's free, and I like to just put funny things there, but someone said, and I want to say, so, okay, so that's the email. Is there anything more to say about the email? Because I got a good laugh out of it. I somebody said to me, they were like, Oh my God. Like, does she not realize that nobody thinks anybody other than her or her husband or her best friend would write this to you? I mean, maybe Frank Drummond, what about when Kristen said at the reunion, just like a very honest reaction, like nobody cares about you guys enough to care that you didn't have your right on. Yeah, that was funny.
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in that same vein, nobody cares about you enough to send this email. It isn't. I'm trying to think, okay, Paige has a huge, strong fan base who'll come out for her, Jeff Lewis. My God, you say something bad about Jeff Lewis. His chumps come out like there are Bravo celebrity personalities who have people who come out in force, yes, in my DMs, there are people I even avoid posting about because of that, right? Janet. Out of all of the followers I have, I when I post a snarky thing about Janet, I get zero people telling me I'm being unkind to stop Sheena, who doesn't get a ton of that gets a little bit Janet gets zero. Stasi is a good example, because when Stasi was still on I, like, would write snarky stuff about her. I, you know, I always had a love, hate relationship with her. And.
She had an army of people who loved her and who would get a bat for her. Yeah, yeah. And Sheena does too. Sheena has people does? She has she has apologists, but I haven't seen any for Janet. And, you know, Janet, you just keep on being the moment and doing your thing and like, go for, you know, go girl, like, I don't, I don't agree. But okay, and I'll tell you why she doesn't have people. When I was reflecting on the reunion after I got this email, and someone actually said this very eloquently, but it's a sentiment that I agree with, so I'm going to share it. Shout out to the cocktail who sent this. They said Kristen apologized to Janet right off the bat at the head of the reunion, she was like, Listen, I want to start by saying I shouldn't have called you a whore. I shouldn't have said XYZ, yeah, we didn't hear Janet bring an ounce of empathy to the reunion. She did not apologize for anything to anyone at all. So she doesn't have that part where you love her and can make excuses for bad behavior, and I think that's the it about Janet. And unfortunately, it isn't something that's easy to fix, because when you don't have insight, like, if she didn't sit at that reunion after seeing all the fan backlash throughout the entire season, and she wasn't sitting at that reunion recognizing she should eat some crow she never will. Yeah, no, her strategy is, dig in, defend, double down, right like she doesn't and don't apologize. So I fully agree with that cocktail, and I think that is one of the things that has really endeared Kristen to
so many of us, is that she's done some batshit crazy stuff, but she admits it and, like, apologizes and moves on, you know, and and I think that has been something that I have really enjoyed, especially about seeing her on the valley and that she like, goes back and laughs about some of the stuff that she's done in the past. I don't see Janet doing that. No, there's not even a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Okay, so we can talk a little more Valley, or we can get into OC, where do you want to go? I think we have to talk about the part of the valley that we had in cocktail party, which those of you who aren't subscribers, heard about for the first time at the reunion, but, and you didn't really hear it, no, and it was, it was very much kind of, so I will say, Andy's reactions during this whole part of the reunion. So do you guys all remember? They said there was Jesse's girlfriend who does not want to be on camera showed up to Michelle Zen party after cameras were wrapped and that she came. And now I'm I'm forgetting if we so there's a couple parts I knew that so to focus on what Andy said, Andy is 100% right. He was like, your girlfriend had no business being there. She is not part of the cast. She's been very vocal that she doesn't want to be part of the cast. Andy said, and I feel like, if she is your girlfriend and she shows up to group events, put a camera up and get her on camera, because she's walking into a live set. And Andy is 100% correct, and that is the world that Jesse lives in, and they should all know that, yeah, but that is completely separate and apart from the incident, which was very glossed over. So do you want to share what we had in cocktail? Yes, okay, it says Jesse's girlfriend is pissed. She is threatening to sue Michelle. Allegedly, Michelle and Janet were reaching out to all of these people in the OC trying to get dirt on her. Michelle was texting Jesse's girlfriend saying she's going to ruin her light and hurt, sorry, ruin her life and hurt the girlfriend's custody with her child as long as she dates Jesse, she sent a lawyer letter, but then at the valley season two finale party, Michelle and her boyfriend were allegedly drunk and pushed Jesse's girlfriend, apparently, production opened up an investigation on it. So at the reunion, we saw Michelle simply say, I won't discuss what happened, because there's lawyers involved. Here's the thing, Lacey clap back on somebody's Tiktok. And she confirmed the intel we had, but she further, she further clarified. She actually said that she did not get a lawyer involved that Michelle did, and Aaron grabbed Lacy's arm. Oh, okay, yes. So what's really interesting about this is that after this, after the reunion, Aaron broke up with Michelle. So a friend of a friend said to me that we in cocktail party pointed out that Aaron was very worried about his edit, and they said it wasn't just his edit. He was worried about this incident where he allegedly.
Grabbed Jesse's girlfriends when cameras were down. Jesse's girlfriend, in the response to the Tiktok wrote, I would love to see the security footage so they're holding that over the head. Now, Jesse didn't bring up any of this, and this person tells me the reason Jesse made no mention of this incident is because it was decided as a result of Aaron's actions, that he will no longer be able to film the show. So this works out great for Jesse, his girlfriend doesn't want to film, and now Michelle's boyfriend can't film, so he's not going to bring it up. Bravo, made their decision, right? Yeah. But also, from a production standpoint, they're pissed, because now they're losing the drama of the boyfriend and girlfriend, which isn't a problem, because Michelle's boyfriend broke up with her. So this person said, yeah, he broke up with her, not just because of his edit and because this would be brought up. Because whether it was Bravo, who said he can't film, or he who decided I'm not signing a contract, I'm not filming, and if I don't, they can't bring this up. And basically he broke up with Michelle because he's like, Well, I'm not going to be famous. I fucked up. I did something I shouldn't have done. And I don't think it was like some terrible illegal thing where at least he can have him arrested, but it was enough that it shouldn't be brought up on camera, right? Yeah. And so what was more important to him being on the show, or Michelle? Well, he broke up with Michelle, yeah, yeah. I mean that. That's pretty clear as day to me what his motivations were the whole time. This podcast is supported by MIDI health. Are you in midlife feeling dismissed, unheard, or just plain tired of the old healthcare system? You're not alone for too long. Women's serious midlife health issues have been trivialized, ignored and met with a just deal with it attitude many of us have been made to feel ashamed or forgotten. In fact, even today, 75% of women seeking care for menopause and perimenopause issues are left entirely untreated. But here's the powerful truth, it's time for a change. It's time for MIDI. MIDI is not just a healthcare provider, it's a women's telehealth clinic, founded and supported by world class leaders in women's health. What sets MIDI apart? We are the only women's telehealth brand covered by major insurance companies, making high quality expert care accessible and affordable for all women everywhere, our clinicians provide one on one face to face consultations where they truly listen to your unique needs. We offer a full range of holistic, data driven solutions, from hormonal therapies and weight loss protocols to lifestyle coaching and preventive health guidance. This isn't a one size fits all care. This is care uniquely tailored for you. At MIDI, you will join our patients who feel seen, heard and prioritized. You will find that our mission is clear to help all women thrive in midlife, giving them access to the health care they deserve. Because we believe midlife isn't the middle at all. It's just the beginning of your second act, ready to feel your best and write your second act script. Visit, join midi.com today to book your personalized insurance covered virtual visit. That's join midi.com MIDI the care women deserve.
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I hope I explained that clearly for non cocktails. But I think I did. I think you did, yeah, and you know, good for Lacy, for setting the record straight, because she clearly seems to be set.
County, who at least doesn't want, maybe she doesn't want a completely private life, but she wants, you know, but you know, she's gonna put stuff out there. She's gonna do it on her own channel, which makes sense, yeah, but I'm gonna say something as somebody who has zero desire to be on reality television, either Jesse leaves the show and they stay in their relationship, or they don't be like, it's gonna be hard for Michelle and Jesse to have a role on this show. I don't think it's fair to us, like, as an audience, production has to dance around Jesse's girlfriend, yeah, like she's clearly, they all hang out in real life. This isn't like traders, where you go and there's a game and there's a completely and it's focused on that competition, and like, your life at home isn't a part of it. As an example, Rob from Big brother, who was on traders, he doesn't have to mention his wife and kids, because he's there to do a competition show you're on the valley. The show is about your life. So if you're not going to show the woman you're dating, then you can't be on the show, or you can't be dating her. You have to date people who'll film, and that should just be like a rule. I can imagine that's probably been a conversation, because I really see it with Lindsay. But Lindsay, it's also different, because her boyfriend isn't drama, like there's drama with Lacy and Jesse, but like, regardless of if there's drama or not, if I'm production and I'm a network. I'm changing the game, and it is, you're on this show, you're under contract. I'm letting you know now there is something written in the contract that if you start dating somebody who won't be on camera, I can get you off the show. There is something in your contract that says B is dating John and John, God forbid, John Jansen and John will join as a network and production company. We can choose to have B continue, or we can tell her she's got to go because she won't show John, like I would put that in people's contracts, really, yeah, and then let Jesse choose. Jesse you want to be with Lacey, or you want to be on the show, because those are your options. I think, I guess we'll see, because I just don't see, like I said, I don't see a path. We're tired of hearing about Jesse and Michelle's divorce. We want to see kind of what happens, what happens next, and obviously it's always going to be fun to see them squirming and fighting in each other's vicinities, since they all do hang out. But yeah, I fully agree. Okay, so we haven't really been talking about OC a lot of people have been saying it's boring, which I kind of agreed, at least until last night. So this week, we finally saw the breakdown that Tamara had in New Orleans that led her to, quote, unquote, quit the show. So normally, you don't hear about OC in real time, because we record on Thursdays, but due to scheduling, we are recording on Friday breaking. A little summary of what went down. The girls split into groups. We see Gretchen, Tamra and Shannon. They're talking about Katie, and Shannon says, Tamara, how can you tell Gretchen that she should give Katie another chance when you just told me that Katie tried to have a story reported about you? Shannon, excuse me. Tamara goes on to say to Gretchen, okay, here's what happened. Kiki Monique, shout out to Kiki, our friend over at TALK OF SHAME. She has a podcast on Andy's radio station with Dorinda, and she's hilarious. She's hilarious, she's great. Like, I don't like that. She's being dragged into this whole thing. I don't either, you know, it makes this just sound like she's, I don't know, i She's like, she's funny, she's cool. Like, it just really has nothing to do with Yeah, guys agree. So according to Cam, Tamara Katie told Kiki that Gretchen told Katie, right? Tamara tried to roofie her. So this is all from the infamous naked wasted, which they said was 17 years ago, which is wild where Tamara and Vicky wants to get Gretchen so drunk, and they referred to it as naked, wasted, because they said she acted super proper on camera, but when they would see her out around the OC, she was always drunk and acting crazy. So Tamra tells her this Gretchen looks shocked and confused. She's like, I never told Katie that you tried to roofie me. We see Gretchen saying a confessional. I have to consider the source. Tamara has always been unkind to me. Katie has never been unkind to me. Yeah. So then we see, you know that Gretchen clearly wants to talk to Katie to get to the bottom of it. Meantime, Shannon, who's got some ax to grind. Are you kidding me? This is worse than her recording me. Katie's the worst person ever. You know Shannon's whole meltdown, right? Tamara's, you know, saying to Gretchen, like, I know we have a bad history, but I was in a bad marriage. You know, Tamara's trying to put a band aid on it and say to Gretchen, like, come over to my team guys. Want to have a laugh with you. I want to really talk to you about all of us. And I don't want this, I don't want us to be in this bad place anymore. No.
I'm essentially saying, let's forget about the past. Come over to my team. That's what Tamara's saying. Gretchen goes back to the hotel. She speaks with Jen and Katie. Katie says, This never happened. I never said this. Oddly enough, we got intel on naked wasted this week. What we heard was that Katie is was going to bring up naked wasted, and this is why Katie and Gretchen fall out. So Katie, apparently, and I guess this is in future episodes, tells Gretchen to bring up naked, wasted. What we heard was Gretchen denies telling her it My thought is perhaps Gretchen and Katie had a conversation where Gretchen was like, Oh yeah, bring the naked wasted up, but this whole Tamara roofied me piece is a part that Gretchen did not say. The question becomes, did Katie really tell someone? Gretchen told me Tamara roofied her. Did Katie completely make that up? Because I don't think Gretchen, I don't think that Gretchen told anybody to have a roofie at her. Okay, I don't either, did Katie girls, yeah, none of the league. Or did Tamara make it up? Did Tamara did Kiki Monique? Or, I'm not even saying Kiki did somebody, because I don't think Kiki is really even involved. I think she's being used. She's being dragged through this. Yeah, but Did, did somebody go back to Tamara and say, Oh, Gretchen told Katie to bring up naked, wasted and did Tamara add the roofie part to make it more wild, to make it like I never said that. So I think so. I do not think Gretchen told Katie this. I think she told her to bring up naked, wasted in any capacity. I think that they probably talked about it. Yes, absolutely. I think I she told her to, or was like, Yeah, you know you should bring it up, whatever. Do I believe that happened? Probably, do we know? Did we know real time or close to real time that Katie had lunch with Kiki Monique because there was a picture posted? Did either Tamara make this up because she saw that Katie and like saw that as a threat that Katie was having lunch with Kiki Monique? Did Katie make the story up and tell Kiki Monique that? Or was there something else? Was there? Did somebody else make up the story and it got back to them? That's what happened. I think that's I really don't think Gretchen, Gretchen made this up. So I'm removing that as a possibility. I do. I think that Katie has been getting in way over her head by trying to play scheming housewife. Yes, and so if I'm gonna leave anything, I'm like as much as Tamara plays some dirty tricks. I don't, I don't think she just makes she can be straight up. Mean,
I gotta think it's either somebody on the outside made this up and it got back to all of them, or it was Katie. What are you writing? I think that, yeah, I think that somebody said the roofy thing, and Tamara's going with it was Katie. Maybe Tamara really thinks it was Katie. And I think that Tamara thought she could use this as an opportunity to further ice out Katie and Jen, right? Because Tammy is overarching goal. Here is her hatred towards Jen. And right now the alliance is Jen, Katie Gretchen, which is a very weak Alliance, by the way, and we'll get into that. So we get to dinner. Tamara pulls Gretchen outside, and she's like, Should I bring it up tonight? Did you talk to Katie about it? And Gretchen very meekly, and like, wanting to keep peace. Was like, listen, Tamara, I spoke to her. She says she didn't say it. And Gretchen's like, and Gretchen's like, I still want to have a conversation with you. I'd like to try to move forward. And Tamara just snaps. And then Katie comes out, and like, Tamara, knowing that Gretchen didn't fall for at hook, line and sinker, and Gretchen won't be IDing icing Katie out. Tamara's like, you think I pulled it out of my ass? And Gretchen says, No. Like, in other words, I know what happened. Yeah, right. She's like, I'm not saying you made this up. Perhaps somebody said this, but I don't believe Katie said it. Gretchen's like, they get to the table and they further hash it out. She's like, Where's the proof, Tamara, you've been unkind to me for years, and I'm just supposed to believe this. Jen chimes in and says, Oh, Shannon, you are because, of course, Shannon's going on about how awful Katie is. Oh, Shannon, you want to say how Katie hurts everybody. What about you? Tamara showing the picture of me fat shaming, and Tamara's like, shut up. Like, Tamara basically just wants.
To swat everything out of her way that isn't in her direct line of what she's going for. Yeah, I and she says to Jen, I don't care about you. You are a fan. You were in my DMs. And like, everyone at the table is starting to be like, okay, Tamara, calm down, which is when camera just goes ballistic. She's like, when Gina was like, though she's like, You need to stop you're being rude, I was like, I don't think I've ever seen anybody stand up to Tamara like that before. 100 straight up be like, You are being rude. And once Gina said that everybody else who was like, supposed to be backing Tamara, right? Because this is all planned, yeah, says, You know what Gina's right, like, because they're all like, what did she do? Because it was very clear she did have one eye open. She was drinking. I do agree with Gina that she was drinking. Maybe took a Xanax. She was not Tamara was not at her best, vindictive, getting her point across self because she was over served. Yeah. So as a result of her not being able to properly maneuver this and everyone being like Tamara, it's enough like, like, stop. And because she wasn't successful, she stood up. She storms off. We see Heather. Can we discuss the fact that like Heather is like, looking at her in the eyes? Like, calm down. We'll we'll get her another day. Like, are we going to discuss the fact that she's just blindly following Tamara and going with everything well. And then she even says it. She's like, Yeah, when I go out there to go talk to her, which, by the way, I thought was very interesting. Seconds before that, that Tamara is just standing out there in the hall by herself, like, just waiting, like just standing out there, nobody follows her for a few seconds. And so then, like, the producers, are you okay, and then Heather finally comes out. I thought that whole moment was pure comedy, because generally, the housewives run after each other, and Tamara was out there for a good little bit just doing by ourselves, waiting for somebody to come out. But then she, you know, then she yells at Heather for telling her essentially to calm down. And like she gets mad at she was on one, she was on one, and then she she text Gina, fuck off. She posted to Instagram. I quit. And then I'll tell you exactly what happened. She went home, she slept it off, she regrouped, she met privately with the other women. And I'm gonna tell you that she comes back to the show and she's gonna do something else to take out. Katie, yeah,
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is what's happening. The goal is take down Katie, to leave Jen by herself. Try to get Gretchen to our team. This is the whole strategy Tamara is pulling, right? So with that comes this email, yes, which makes more sense after watching last night's episode. It totally does. So it's pretty in depth. I'm gonna just take a quick breath here, because it's a long, juicy email. So hang in here with me, you guys. It's from our H, O, C, subject, what lies ahead as the Real Housewives of Orange County?
Season 19 hits its halfway point. Brace yourself as the drama is about to get darker following New Orleans, Katie faces mounting confrontations before being completely iced out by her castmates. Meanwhile, a heated discussion between Tamara Heather and Gretchen over a progressive yet polarizing topic, will divide fans, fracture Heather and Gretchen's friendships, and potentially jeopardize Gretchen's future on the show. Behind the scenes, producers have grown increasingly frustrated with Shannon bador Her treatment of the crew. Frequent emotional breakdowns and inability to move past conflicts has left her storyline feeling repetitive and stagnant this season. On the flip side, Jennifer pedant pedronti has emerged as a producer favorite. Her dynamic with Ryan, layered family life and balance of relatability and messiness have made her an ideal housewife in the eyes of evolution media, that's the production company Gina, is also winning praise for her transparency, her knack for stirring the pot and her overall growth on the show. Producers are paying close attention to certain cast alliances, particularly those that seem to protect some women more than others, and to ongoing conversations about how women of color have been treated on our H, O, C, this topic will surely be addressed at the reunion. Post reunion executives are leaning towards letting Katie go and offering Shannon a friend of role in hopes that it reignites her spark. Gretchen state will hinge on how audiences respond to her end of Season drama and reunion performance, Tamara Heather, Gina and Jen are considered 100% safe. Notably, Emily's status was not mentioned by our source. Looking ahead, producers are planning to tap into Orange County history for the milestone 20th season, reaching out to legacy housewives, Vicky gumbelson, Gina Keo, Joe De La Rosa, Kimberly, Bryant, Laurie Peterson, Tammy Knickerbocker, Lydia McLaughlin, Alexis Bellino says Yes, really. And Megan King for cameo appearances despite strong fan support, the reason Katie is unlikely to be asked back is due to her guarded communication with bloggers and her tendency to fade into the background during group scenes. Producers recognize the outpouring of support she's received, but ultimately feel they must prioritize what's best for the show and acknowledge that as a newer cast member, she lacks the history and presence of her most seasoned counterparts. That said it's a difficult decision, as producers genuinely like Katie and value the rich family dynamics that she brings to the series. Obviously, nothing is set in stone, but this is how it's looking. This is what I was talking about, about, like we're getting these really good, detailed emails. And then yesterday, we got another one from Beverly Hills. Thank you. Thank you. We love you, whoever you are. Yeah, okay, Amanda, I think you got to break this down piece by piece. Yes. All right. First, I have some exclusive intel that I'm only sharing on the pod. So we do hear that Katie gets ultimately iced out, and I could see the writing on the wall from last night's episode. I can tell you that I'm hearing in real time, meaning right now. Okay, Tamara is actually the only one speaking to Katie because she doesn't want her off the show. She feels that she's got really good potential as a housewife and she can make the show interesting. I think Tammy girl probably thinks she just needs a little of her coaching. Okay, I know it's crazy, but I could see it, because something you and I always point out about Tamara, yeah, is she does what's best for the show, what she thinks will get the most storyline, and Katie and Jen have fallen out, and that was ultimately Tamara's goal. Timer doesn't have an ax to grind with Katie if she If Katie is done with Jen, and for all we know, could have been encouraged to be done with Jen to secure her spot on the show. I'm just saying, then Tamara will push for Katie to come back. What do you just think about that piece of it? I believe, I mean, as hard as it is to believe watching what we've just watched, I do believe that Tamara would do something like that. I also think that Tamara, I do believe Tamara was really going through a really awful time. I can't imagine what it would be like to have your best friend going through such a horrific situation. Not that I'm saying that it's acceptable to be going out and acting the way that she is, but I think as cooler heads.
Prevail, Tamara would see, could see that it could be good for the show, and would do that.
What I don't understand, and Jen doesn't understand, is, why are Tamara and like, Why does Tamara just have have it out for Jen? I don't get, I think, for whatever reason, she doesn't like her. I think I think it started with her not liking her, and I think the fact that Ryan threatened legal action and that Tamara had to eat crow and apologize to him publicly, and that he and Jen muzzled her, Tamara is like, okay, and she will now not stop, yeah, until one of two things happened. One, she has a bigger ax to grind with somebody else. Like, for an example, she doesn't want Gretchen there, but her desire to get Jen and Ryan off is now overriding that, yeah. So she's like, I can make amends with Gretchen, just for the time being, right? She'll screw Gretchen if she needs to. That is what it is that's the it with Jen and Tamra. It's that Ryan legally muzzled her and made her apologize, and Tamara sees it like, Who the hell are they to do that to me? Yeah, I also think I want to kind of go back on something I said about Katie. I don't I, and further clarify when I said, I think she's gotten herself in over her head at playing scheming housewife. I think the fact that Katie not only had lunch with Kiki Monique, but also took a picture that was publicly shared is the perfect example of that, because do I believe that all of these housewives have burner accounts that they feed bloggers information and a true working move? And so that's where I'm like, that's perfect. Like, I can't figure out if Katie is just not. She seems like an intelligent person, but, like, What a dumb move on her part. So I agree. I just Yeah, so I don't know, I Yeah, and I think, I think with the
I just don't know where Katie goes from here. Katie's only hope is Tamara saving her. If Tamara can somehow convince production, no, no, no, we can redirect her, get her off this track, and she'll be good. Okay, camera gets another housewife in her column. That's right, right? Because now her and Jen are at odds. Katie and Jen. Okay, so moving through the email, it says there's a heated discussion between Tamara Heather Gretchen gret over a polarizing topic. My understanding, and I don't know what will be edited out, what will be shown. It was something political. It causes a fracture between Heather and Gretchen's friendship, and the email says, depending on how fans react, it may be the end of Gretchen, aside from Gretchen's 12 year old ax to grind, her storyline, to me, is very recycled.
You look at the cast, I have to agree that Jen, like, what I'm saying is I can see this putting Gretchen in a place where they may be, like, we don't need her. Jen being a producer favorite, 100% agree with it, which is another reason that Tamara doesn't love her because she doesn't want her on the show. I think Ryan brings great drama. Jen is likable, relatable, but, like, messy, yeah. And then like, Ryan is, we know all the stuff we've heard about him, but he seems like a pretty nice guy, and he's nice to her kids, and they seem to be happy. So she's a great housewife. She's got all those kids, the Mexi, ex husband, she's great, she's she's engaged. She's got a lot to look forward to. What is great Gretchen, bringing naked, wasted from 17 years ago. Now we I thought it was 12 at 17, which I think is honestly, I think Gretchen knows that, which is why she was like, Katie, you should bring it up instead of me, right? Yeah.
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I believe the piece of the email that says Gretchen is on a faulty ground, because Heather wields a lot of power, and if Heather says, I don't want her, who knows what this fracture is, we will see, hopefully, all of it. They may be careful, depending on how political it gets, if they really want Gretchen off, and it's something that's really going to put her in a bad light. They're going to put that out there, and then it'll be Bye, bye. So, yeah, I see all that. Yeah, I agree. I kind of want to wait and until we see whatever this fight is about to have an opinion. And I exactly was going to say the same thing, like, if the network is considering letting Gretchen go, then they'll show it the OGS part of the email. I think they should do something for the 20 year. I absolutely think they should. I'm hoping that that email didn't mean like, we're bringing them all back as regulars on the show because, like, I don't I, I don't love that idea. But maybe, do they do, like, a trip with, like, all the past OC housewives, and make that a special and would I watch that? Heck yeah. But if they bring them all on, and if they focus on all of them for the whole next season. I have this bad feeling it would mean the end of the show. Remember those look back scenes at the end of Vanderpump Rules? Yes, and how, at the time, they denied it was the end, but it was the end at least of the show as we knew it. I can tell you that after I posted this email, a source said that next season being the 20th season, they are reaching out to legacy housewives. To your point, do they wrap it up after the 20th season? I don't know. I guess we won't know if the ratings are still high. Maybe it would just be the women popping in at lunch, maybe one big party, and the ratings are good, and they keep going. There was a time where Vicki was out, but she's back in the fold. She is presenting at Bravo con, the Lifetime Achievement to candy Burris. So I believe that they're looping some of these people back in it. Could I the word retroactive? I 100% agree with you. I think, I think they're leaving the door open to be like, You know what? We could leave it here. But if the 20th season's ratings are really great, then they'll keep the train going. So I see that, yeah, yeah. I wanted to say about the Gina piece of it, I have to tell you, especially what we saw last night with her putting her foot down and standing up to Tamara. Yeah, she's evolved. I have never been a Gina fan. I'm enjoying her this season. I'm loving watching her blossoming career. I can see her. I can absolutely see that she's safe. And again, I believe that Gina, not Gina, excuse me, I believe that Emily is in danger. I have to tell you, I got I am getting the ick with her, utilizing her stuns possible autism diagnosis as a storyline. But I don't how where is the line for you, as between raising awareness because Jacqueline did it? What? 15 years ago, 10 years ago, on New Jersey, and that, I don't think anybody was really feeling like that. So where is the line between kind of trying to raise awareness? You know, we saw Kelly on Atlanta talk about her daughter's condition, that they have, this, I forget what they call it, but where their bones break really easily, like, where is a library? You know, that is a very good question, and I'm as I'm listening to your question, I'm going to tell you where the line is, thinking about it, because it did. It didn't feel icky.
Jacqueline, and the reason is, is because what we watched was in real time. Now, Emily has been on the show for several seasons, since her boys were toddlers. As mothers, we know very well that we pay very close attention as Emily does, as mothers do, and we know all of our child's developmental stages, it is an impossibility that her son, who is, I want to say, 910, eight, around there, yeah, he's not two. So we watched Jacqueline in real time say something's going on here. We watched Jax and Brittany in real time explore what was going on. I am not saying that Emily's son does not have developmental delays, issues, whatever it is, I'm not a doctor. It's not my place. What I'm saying is for her to whip this out as a storyline seven years into her housewife's career. Doesn't feel authentic. It feels like she's using it for a season. Yeah, yeah. This is something that would have been a conversation throughout the boys development in real life. I can completely appreciate if Emily made the decision when he was small, and this was an issue, to not bring it up her all of a sudden, pulling this out. It's an impossibility, like she goes, I can't believe I didn't realize this. You were dealing with a woman with a doctorate of law, a extremely intelligent woman, a husband who is a very involved father. You mean to tell me these two highly educated, wealthy people whose children attend the best schools in Southern California are just now realizing their nine year old has developmental delays. It is not authentic because she ran out of shit and she said, huh, I can use this. And something about that gives me the Yeah, yeah. I think that's actually a really great point. And so had she presented it as, this has been something we've been dealing with privately, and where we now feel kind of ready to talk about it, I think we would have all felt different. I think that's a great point. It's not what you say or what you do, it's how you say it and how you do it. And in her case, it just gives me the effect, to be honest, notice this, yeah, yeah. Outside of that, what is she bringing she's like, trying to be a Tamra light, but it doesn't go anywhere. She tries to be funny with, like, shoving sandwiches and eggs in places and pulling them out, but I don't find much humor in it. I just she could go not saying she's a terrible, awful person, but I don't need her. She's got a huge salary. Let's free that money's up. I do want to go back to what you were saying about Gina, because I agree. Maybe we can post this tomorrow so you guys can look at her video. Because before the season started, Gina did a video, and she was like, here are things that I'm apologizing for or not apologizing for. And then she talks about how, like, she wore the same purse, and you're gonna see the same hoodie a lot through the whole season, and that she's a busy mom, and like she did it in such a funny and endearing way, it just makes you like her even more. I fully put her in that category. Now, of you know we have the housewives that you feel like you could be good friends with. We have the housewives who, you know, we like to watch because they're batshit crazy. We have, you know, and Jean, I definitely put it in that column of she is. She's one of those housewives who I could see myself being actually friends with in in real life, so I am really enjoying her on the season as well. 100% I get the feeling we're gonna have a lot of OC to talk about. So since time is running out, I do wanna jump ahead to Jersey. Yes, because, and like, I always hesitate to make big declarations, but I'm confident to say that filming will be happening soon, and my gut, slash Intel, slash what have you. Although I don't believe contracts are officially signed, I think it's going to be newbies, with Melissa with Dolores, with Marge, I like it. Listen, Theresa is going to be at Bravo con. I don't think there's a world where Teresa gets cut off completely.
You know, they've been saying loosely, there's a spin off. We know she's been floating around some restaurant, right? So with G, I mean, I don't know what g is availability looks like. Next Gen is the most successful show on Bravo. Right now. She's a part of that cast. She's going to have to prioritize that.
But I do think that if something isn't completely set right now for Teresa, she's going to get something and again, I don't know what that looks like. Yeah.
It can't be love hotel unless she's going to ditch Louie real quick get her groove on, but, but I think there's something, something happening for her. I just feel confident saying that jersey is going to be moving forward without her again. I know contracts aren't signed. It's what I'm hearing. And I think they start filming soon. Test filming is underway at the time, they said week of 18th, but we know that that's always give or take, right? Melissa was just out with a girl who's a very well known injector in Jersey, and birdies were telling me that she was in talks. So why is Melissa hanging with this girl? Probably because they're test filming. I'm I'm here for it. I, you know, I think everybody wants Jersey back. I can definitely see Theresa not wanting saying, like I don't want to do. Maybe she even just said I don't want to do an ensemble show anymore. I want to be a Lisa Vanderpump or whatever, and have my own thing. I can completely see her doing that. Give her a few Zolciak type spin off, I guess. But we, let's see. I just don't believe that she's going to be on the next season of Jersey. Well, it's, it's really starting to look like that. And also, back to, I can't it's, I can't remember if I said this last week or the week before, but Andy said this on was it national TV, or was it on his radio show saying that they're getting close with jersey. Andy is not going to come out and say that unless it's pretty much done. And just, I just looked at her Instagram. She's currently in Madrid, so if there's test filming happening, she ain't there interesting, just saying you heard it here first. If it's true, if it's not true, oops, no, I'm kidding. I really. I I'm confident. I'm confident saying that. As a matter of fact, one of my sources, where I go back and forth with was like, say it, I'm like, my contracts aren't signed. Oh, we'll see. I'm excited, and on a on an exciting note, I'm excited for Rhode Island. We've seen a million pictures, so I'm very comfortable sharing with you now that i The email said the main cast, Joe Ellen, tabery, Alicia car mody, Elizabeth McGraw, Rosie woods, Kelsey Swanson, Rula, Nemi pontorelli. Rula earned her spot after being in several dramas. You guys are like me and Amanda, the names don't mean much until we know them. So I just a lot of you guys are like, please tell us the names that you have. So those are the names that I'm hearing from main cast. As of right now, filming is underway. They've all been in pictures, so I could put those names out there. Dolores and Ashley ready will be friends of production things, having them part time, we'll pull in more viewers. I never watched The Bachelorette bachelor, but apparently Ashley is well liked. I think so she was her story, just really quickly, the she was on The Bachelor, and then she went on Bachelor in Paradise, and she was, like, in love with this guy named Jared, and they went back and forth and, like, they were kind of a couple of the show. And then they, I guess, broke up, because he was like, This is too much. But then he ended up coming back to her off camera. They ended up getting engaged and getting married, and I think they have at least one baby, so, oh, I love that. She is. Yeah, she is. She definitely came off as a little bit of pick me girl on bachelor of Paradise, and a little bit on bachelor but then, like you also just saw how she was just so struck and taken with Jared. So I think they have actually a really cute love story, and she has a very successful podcast of her own. And so, you know, I think she'll be an interesting person to see and almost catch back up with where she is with life. Now, love it. I love it. Do we love you guys? Yeah, we didn't give you much OC, and then we gave you a lot of OC. But there's a lot happening. There is. It was, it's finally, it finally got my attention. I will say that it has been a little bit on the boring side, but dull but yeah,
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