Podcast 218: The Bathroom Chronicles; Britt’s Ariana moment? Not RHOA teaching us about pelvic floors

In episode 218 of Cocktails and Gossip, Amanda and B dive into the Jax Taylor and Lori K Bathroom Chronicles affair tea, react to Britt's Ariana moment, discuss Margaret Josephs joining RHONY Golden Life, recap the In the City finale, and cannot believe RHOA is teaching us about pelvic floors.

Topics Discussed

• RHOA: Porsha and Shamea — The latest drama between Porsha Williams and Shamea Morton on Real Housewives of Atlanta
• Bathroom Chronicles — Tea about Jax Taylor and his publicist Lori K's affair going all the way back, with the full bathroom story
• Britt's Ariana Moment — Did Britt have her own Ariana Madix-style revelation moment?
• RHONY Golden Life Cast — Margaret Josephs has been added to the Real Housewives of New York Golden Life cast
• In the City Finale — Full recap and reactions to the season finale
• RHOA Pelvic Floors — The unexpected RHOA scene that had everyone talking about pelvic floor health

Mentioned in This Episode

Jax Taylor, Lori K, Brittany Cartwright, Porsha Williams, Shamea Morton, Margaret Josephs, Ariana Madix

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Frequently Asked Questions

RHOA Recap: Porsha Williams and Shamea Drama

I think Shamea is spot on when she says, "You never wanted me to be a full-time housewife." I think that Porsha didn't forgive her when she decided to become a full-time housewife. She will never move forward with her. She is doing whatever she needs to do to get her off the show. We know that Porsha has a multi-year deal with NBCU, so she's getting a check one way or the other. So just from a business standpoint, if they have to pick, the network has to pick Porsha 'cause they're already paying her.

Welcome to Cocktails and Gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we're gonna spill the tea. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from bravoandcocktails.com. And as always, it's all alleged and just for fun. We do not verify our blinds. I'm B. And I'm Amanda. Let's get into this week's tea.

What's up, Cocktailers? Hello, Amanda. Hi. Hi, B. Hi, Cocktailers. It is really exciting. I got to chat with you a little bit about this to catch up, but you and Tracy did something really fun this week. What can you tell us about it? Okay, I can tease you, but first I wanna make you guys laugh. So Tracy and I are headed home from the city. We went into the city for what we did, and I'm like, "Oh, I should post to Instagram stories, 'Tracy and I did something fun. Guess what it was?'" The amount of people who said tattoos, and matching Bravo and cocktail tattoos. Two people said, "Went to high tea." I can only imagine that they were making fun of us and joking. A lot of you guys got drunk. Oh, see, I think that does sound fun.

Okay, so we went somewhere in the city, and I didn't know this, but the person who we interviewed told me the block we were on across the street was the apartment that JFK Jr. lived in. So we interviewed Georgina, the dermatologist from In The City. Tracy interviewed her. I was there. We're kind of trying something out. Tracy, Amanda, and I thought it would be cool to do small business spotlights slash get some tea while we're there. So we obviously started with Georgina. We're gonna share it soon. We actually have somebody editing it. It was really cool. It was refreshing. It was different from our normal Bravo & Cocktails content. First of all, she was so gracious to have us there, gave us care packages. And she also shared a wealth of knowledge about skincare, which is gonna be really great for you guys to hear. And a lot of easy stuff to follow. She shared the best products for women 35 plus, the best products for women 40 plus, the different price points. So I don't wanna spoil it because there's a lot of good stuff in there. But as we were there, she was like, "Yeah, JFK and Carolyn Bessette lived across the street," which she didn't know until the FX show. And then we get there, and Tracy's like me, we like to get everywhere early. So there was this place Bubby's on the corner. It was this really cool brunch, lunch place. Apparently JFK went there. And then she was like, "Oh, Lindsay's gonna try to get here to say hi to you guys," Lindsay Hubbard, but she got held up, and we had to go pick up our kids from their various activities.

One question. Was Georgina as, I hate to use the word cool, but I just think she's so cool. She was so cool. It was like if you and I met up. And the funniest thing was you walk into her med spa, and on the wall are both of her degrees from Georgetown. I said to her, "I happen to know because I have family members who are doctors." Dermatology is one of, if not the hardest specialty, and always has been. And has gotten much harder now with all the med spas. So Georgina was like, "I love that you know that," she said, "because the amount of fan response that has called me dumb and an airhead." And here's the other crazy thing, which I was shocked by. She's from Staten Island. So if you know New York City, your typical Staten Island person is that personality, and she's clearly not. I assumed she was from Manhattan. And she said, "I never fit in. I didn't fit in at home." Her dad's a physician. Her brother's a physician. She comes from a family of doctors.

I did know that about dermatology 'cause I've had some friends who became dermatologists, and it's the hardest residency to get into because in most cases you're not taking call. There are some cases where you are, like if you're doing Mohs, the Mohs surgery where they have to keep taking stuff out from skin cancer. But the amount of call is much less than so many other doctors. Think about pediatricians and how many times you've talked to pediatricians in the middle of the night. That is one of the other reasons, and because it's also very lucrative. If you go to a regular dermatologist like I do, my appointments are maybe 10 minutes. And even when I was a kid, I went to the dermatologist because a lot of kids get warts. You'd go there to burn it off. And even in those days, early '90s, my dermatologist had his own skincare line. So it's also very lucrative from that standpoint. Because now when people come out with skincare, they go to labs, and they really formulate it. But I have to imagine in those days we didn't know about white labeling. What white labeling is, there's a generic brand of something, and then I can slap Bravo & Cocktails on it. I would imagine that's what a lot of dermatologists did back in those days. To your point, it's scheduled. I have a family member who's a heart surgeon, and you're always on call. It's emergency surgery. Orthopedic surgeons, I'm sure there are instances where you do have to emergency operate, but usually it's like, "Oh, you broke your leg? Okay, stay laid up, and we'll do the surgery next Wednesday."

Fun fact. Do you know what my sister-in-law told me when my son had a sports injury? He had a buckle break in his wrist. Is that the playground injury? It's like the most common kid injury. So my sister-in-law, who's an NP, told me that the joke with orthopedic surgeons is the stereotype is they call them the ortho bros because a lot of them are former high school and college athletes who through injuries were like, "Hmm, this isn't a bad gig. You make good money." So my son jokes to me, when we're like, "What are you gonna do when you're older?" He's like, "I don't know, maybe I'll become an ortho bro." And I'm like, "Yes, I'm good with that."

I don't think I ever could have become a doctor because I didn't have that strong of an interest, but I'm fascinated by talking to other people in the medical field about their careers. I'm a last responder. I know that sounds terrible. I'm gonna give you a perfect example. Shout out to Rene Graziano who invited me and my friend to the Mob Wives live show. So we went, and at the table next to us, a napkin lit on fire. I hopped up and ran to the other side of the room. Meanwhile, my friend, whose father was a retired New York City FDNY firefighter, is putting water on it, and they're all like, "B, you were at the other side of the room." And I was like, "I am a last responder. I get out of the way. I'm not gonna cause any more trouble." That is so funny. And I completely see that, but the wherewithal to just try to get out of the way 'cause you know you're not gonna be as much help. That's where I'm like, when my kids are standing in the kitchen when I'm cooking, I'm like, "Either help or get out." And I actually am CPR certified. I got it when my first child was born. But I always think, "God forbid I ever have to use it." Next time we're all together, my daughter is also now CPR certified, so we'll let her do it.

The Bathroom Chronicles: Jax Taylor and Lori K Affair Tea

Okay. So talking about Georgina makes me wanna talk about In The City, the finale. Way too short of a season. But first we have to talk about the gossip and the tea, because all I can say is justice for the Bathroom Chronicles. So those of you who have been with us for a while will remember that all the way back in 2024, we had a detailed post about some funny business that was going on in our neighbors to the north in Canada. New York is red right now, and we can't go outside because of the Canadian fires. Sending all of the Canadians affected our love. I have a true love for Canadians. I tend to attract Canadians. We go to Canada quite a bit for sports, and every time I go to Mexico, I make new Canadian friends. They are all truly lovely and friendly people. In my condo in Florida, half the building is Canadians, and we love them.

I don't think I told you this story. This summer, when I was in Calgary, I was walking with my husband and my son. And there was about six inches of missing grate at the bottom of a little ramp. And because we came out where we did, we were having to look up, and I fell in a hole. Down to my almost, my left leg fell in the hole. I go down violently. I fall forward, hit my shoulder and my head. Everyone was like, "I cannot believe you didn't just break your leg." It would've snapped. I guess I have enough calcium in my life. I do a lot of weights, which I credit that. So I scream. My husband and son start to turn back, but there's these two lovely Canadian couples right behind me that are in their 60s, look like they are going out on a golf trip. One of the men picks me up, and I'm so stunned. He's like, "Is it okay if I pick you up?" And then they're like, "Why don't you sit down?" And this lady just hugs me for like 10 seconds, and then I start crying 'cause she's being so kind to me. I limped around a little bit, and I think I might have broken part of my foot. But I'm fine. And the whole reason I was telling this story is Canadians are very friendly, but I don't think they're all as friendly as Lori K.

So cocktailers, you guys will remember that we exclusively posted about Jax and his publicist, Lori K, who's also Brittany's publicist. Now, it's important to note that when we got this intel, Brittany and Jax were separated at the time of us receiving the intel. So we received intel about them hooking up in bathrooms in Canada during Jax's appearances. Him and Tom were doing appearances. You guys might remember he posted that picture of the two of them at the bar, and their heads were really close, and people were commenting on that, and then Brittany was like, "They're just out on business." And this is something you guys know I never share, like the Bravolebs that reach out, but in this case Lori is not a reality star and not a professional, and she reached out to try to shut down the blinds that we were posting, and I was like, "Listen, I believe it happened." I had it from several different sources. And guess what? I never got a cease and desist from Lori K., 'cause it's all true. And she was very rude and condescending about it. A lot of her old talent has come into my DMs this week, a lot of ex-Bachelor people, because she was known as the Bachelor PR person.

We actually just posted some intel today, so let's go over a rundown. So this is all from April 2024. All this did start with us last week, because one of the Cocktailers' friends spotted Jax. So the name of the post was An Immature Baby Spotted. And it said, "My friend is on a flight to Puerto Vallarta with Jax sitting in coach next to Lori K., his manager that he allegedly had relations with in a bathroom in Canada." Her friend said that Jax was behind her in line getting on the flight. He was complaining about everything and being an immature baby. And then we had an update that somebody at the resort spotted them and seemed romantic. That person didn't send a picture, but TMZ posted pictures. In the pool, they're nuzzling each other, not kissing. And on a beach chair where he's kind of sitting on her chair. It looks very comfortable at the very least. Not professional. I don't nuzzle my clients in the pool.

So the friend who wrote in asked if they seemed like they were being flirty. She said, "Lori made a comment about being my client, but I don't really think they are here on business. She is not a Bravo person, so she doesn't really understand that Jax is never professional and speaks to everyone in an unprofessional way." And then they get an update from someone else that it was definitely flirty. And then, of course, the TMZ stuff. So here is what we had back in April 2024. "Got some tea. As you know, Jax is in Montreal with the Toms and his publicist, Lori K. Brittany has unfollowed, maybe blocked, her PR manager Lori K, and Jax. There has been a rumor that Jax and Lori K have been having an affair for a long time. Apparently, they effed in the bathroom while in Canada. She unfollowed them both today." Then we have another post, subject line, "Bathroom banging." "Jax is in Montreal, and a friend of mine found out a bar that he was at. He said he is for sure single, but he wanted the whole bar to know. He told someone there, 'Yeah, I'm single now, trying not to get hurt,' then proceeded to F his publicist in the bathroom. He also walked into the bar and yelled, 'Who's got a bag for me?'" I assume that's coke. And then the last one. "My sister was at Pangea last night. Apparently yesterday the publicist was hammered, embarrassing, but this is not where the bathroom bang happened. The bathroom bang was in Toronto before coming to Montreal. Something is definitely up because she didn't come at all, and this is her event in her city that she planned. The publicist never showed, and the event was very disorganized compared to the night before."

Britt's Ariana Moment

So much to put together here. First, at the time of the bathroom bang, Lori, who has children, was married. That is part of the reason she was upset about the stuff that we posted. Shortly after, I heard, because Lori is not well-liked in the publicist world, apparently she doesn't handle herself professionally with colleagues. Somebody reached out and was like, "By the way, your blinds were definitely true because her and her husband have separated." We also found out yesterday cameras are being picked up to discuss the Lori and Jax of it all. But here's the thing. Brittany going to TMZ, cameras coming up, trying to act like she just found out screams to me that she's trying to get some Ariana and Ciara treatment. Very smart of her, but we know that she blocked them back then. I would just like to point out that Lori K. not only blew up her marriage, but she blew up her business because she chose to get into a hookup situation with Jax, which means she loses Brittany, who's a gainfully employed reality star, over Jax, who's unemployed. So you decide to do all of this to what? Hook up with Jax? You know he's not monogamous. This is gonna make it a lot harder for her to sign on with new clients because it makes her look so unprofessional. And just like we've talked about with Amanda Batula, to make a choice that has such an obvious impact on your career is honestly shocking to me. Well, one of her former clients told me that she's sure that Lori is trying to get on the show. She said it's well-known in the Bachelor fandom that she's obsessed with fame and was never fully professional with her clients. She always wanted to be talent herself. So could it be that Lori created this whole spectacle herself? Listen, it worked. Cameras are being picked back up. So if her goal is to be a reality star, maybe she's making it happen for herself. And maybe she can fix Jax, too. Oh, brother. That's a leap.

RHONY Golden Life Adds Margaret Josephs

Okay, so we have some news that RHONY fans of the OGs will be happy about. So The Golden Life with Ramona, Luann, the other OGs, has been filming in Florida in the spring. Show has not premiered yet, but the show is already getting more episodes. So the network, E!, has seen some of the footage, and they are super excited about it, so they added more episodes. And it sounds like they'll be filming this summer in the Hamptons, and then they're gonna go to the city. And we have an exclusive that has not been announced anywhere yet. Margaret Josephs will be joining them. You guys might remember that we had a cocktail post that she was invited to be on the show. But at that time, she was filming what the working title is Reality Retreat, which is gonna be on Amazon. This filmed in the Dominican Republic. It's an odd assortment of people: Brittany, Kenya Moore, Margaret Josephs, Kim Zolciak, Selling Sunset's Christine Quinn, Brittany Cartwright, Tamar Braxton, Kaitlyn Bristowe, Jenn Tran, Savannah Chrisley, and Hilaria Baldwin. All people, though, that have had scandals or publicly tough times. I always felt like Margaret with the OGs would be such a better fit because she's got a New York personality. She's sharp. She's similar age to those women. So it just all makes sense, and E! is so smart to do this.

I think if it's good, and it's obviously sounding like it will be, I think it'll be a good indicator to Bravo that they don't necessarily have to reboot each show to make a good show. I know there was a lot that went into the New York decision to do a complete reboot. What we have been seeing with Bravo is they're pausing shows or extending the hiatus in between filming, this make-us-miss-you strategy. There's clearly so much interest in these OGs, and hopefully Bravo course corrects and continues to value their more seasoned stars, which it does seem like they have with the way they've gone all in on Lindsay and Kyle by giving them their own show. But I do have to say, Brittany is on this Reality Retreat show. Just wanna point out, that is another paycheck that Lori K. is probably missing out on. And all for Jax.

I also wanted to insert my hope. When RHONY was rebooted, there was a lot of noise from fans who didn't even wanna get into the new ladies. So I'm kind of hoping, since we're gonna have both, people give the new ladies a fair shake. I already have people in my DMs like, "Oh, it's gonna suck." I love the OGs, and in a perfect world we would've had both. But if you're a Housewives fan, everybody was so quick to get on board with Rhode Island. New York is a big city. There's so many different types of people. I hope we give these girls a shot. You and I have watched it and loved it. I definitely think the end of the last season got a little bit dark, but I don't think that's a reason to throw the whole thing in the toilet. I'm very interested to see John Gosselin's ex, Hailey Glassman. I follow Erin. I love watching her. Seeing what Sai's going through with her divorce. There's room at the top for everybody, and we'll be watching both.

I have a random little add-on. I have a cocktailer who always has really good Hamptons tea for us because she has a house out there, and she's actually friendly with a friend group adjacent to some of the OGs. So she shared with me that it's about Tom, Luann's ex, D'Agostino. He has a new wife, Danielle Rollins. She's a designer in Palm Beach. She also has an estate in the Hamptons. So the woman said she was somewhere where Danielle was, and they put on "Money Can't Buy You Class," and Danielle lost it. She's upset because her house is very close to Luann's house in Sag Harbor, and she said that Danielle is upset that Luann is still trotting around and has a very tight grasp on Tom. So I immediately thought, this woman must be losing her mind after all these years. Luann's gonna be back out east filming this summer, and Tom and her house are right there. We all know Tom was very intrigued. He dated Ramona, he dated Luann. Or maybe he's just been a check chaser the whole time. So good riddance, Tom. It sounds like he landed his check, but he also has to work for it.

In the City Finale Recap

Okay, so finally, let's talk In the City finale. A few weeks back, we got some intel from a source: "For everyone who isn't liking Kenny on In The City, it gets worse. Later in the season, you'll see him and his girlfriend Whitney criticize Lindsay as a single mother. Mind you, he himself was raised by a single mother. It's going to get ugly." So we are seeing it. I don't know that Kenny is exactly criticizing her, and I would say justice for Kenny a little bit, because I think this is something that Whitney really led, but that he's supporting her in. So in their Connecticut house, Lindsay and Georgina took the primary before they heard that the other car full of people decided to give it to Ivan and Nick to make up for the way they all misbehaved at the wedding dinner. Whitney got upset that Lindsay and Georgina took the primary anyway, and then Whitney went around telling pretty much everybody but Lindsay, and then somehow Whitney started piling on by saying that Lindsay was playing the single mom card. I think the mom card alone would have been a little upsetting, but I think the word single is really what weaponized that whole situation. And then also talking about the fact that Lindsay has a nanny. Whitney clearly has no idea what it takes to be a mother. Lindsay has to work. Who's gonna take care of this baby while she's working? All of this really shows that Whitney seems to at least hate Lindsay.

First of all, watching Whitney, this is a girl who's been on reality TV. She was on The Bachelor. And I'm thinking, "This girl is not savvy." She could have totally made an argument. Lindsay and Georgina did say, "'Cause we're not away from our kids," but then Georgina also said, "And we set up the trip." So Whitney could've been like, "Well, Kenny also set up the trip with Lindsay, and isn't Ivan Lindsay's best friend?" There was a way to spin it and make them look selfish. Because in my DMs, the response is actually very mixed, because a lot of people feel that Lindsay made it a bigger deal. Well, and Lindsay does tend to get her way about everything, and I think that is really what was getting to Whitney. I completely understand when people say Lindsay's acting like she's the main character, but Lindsay does feel that way, and Lindsay is a strong personality. Do I think it comes off a little harsh and she should tone it down? Yeah. But when you have someone like Whitney, who makes it so easy for Lindsay. So you have Whitney and Danielle in the supermarket, and Danielle's kind of leading Whitney to be like, "I know you said this, and I know you didn't mean to weaponize her single motherhood like that." And Whitney goes, "Yeah, well, she has it so much easier with the nanny." And Danielle just looks at her like, "You're an idiot," and even says, "I don't know what to do with that." And then Kenny, of course, has to back her up.

What did you think about the joke, when they were serving the turkey? Oh, that was so funny. Lindsay's like, "I like dark meat." And then Kenny's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow your roll there." I thought it was really funny, but the way that he said it led me to believe that I think Kenny really believes Lindsay's gaga over him. I don't think so. I think he was just making a joke because she said she likes dark meat. Well, like that he was intimating that she hit on him. And she clearly didn't, because she started laughing so hard when he said that. I think he's got a very conceited thing. I'm interested to see how he is at the reunion with Lindsay.

And then all week we've been dealing with the Amanda pregnancy rumors, which we never posted that we thought she was pregnant. Until I got asked a million times, I addressed it in an ask me anything. We had someone send in that she was drinking at the wedding. And a lot of DMs were like, "Well, you can hide drinking at the wedding." Listen, the way that Amanda and West have been partying, I would really hope she wasn't. Amanda often wears loose dresses. There was nothing about the situation, but I find it really yucky and thirsty that they made that TikTok where she's putting pickles and ice cream in her shopping cart. I would like us all to remember a couple seasons ago when Amanda's storyline was her being worried that she had fertility issues. As women, she's a 34 or 35-year-old woman, joking about pregnancy via a TikTok. Every April Fool's Day I always see memes that are like, "Please be mindful not to make pregnancy jokes because there's a lot of women struggling." And then the conversation with Kyle on the couch where she made it like, "Lover boy's only doing well 'cause everyone hates me." It has nothing to do with them sympathizing with you. I don't know how I personally didn't notice this side of Amanda all these years. If you look back, overall she was kind of a wet blanket on the show. She literally was buried under a blanket at the fire after the apple picking. She was quiet at dinner. She went to bed early. I really question whether she brought a lot to the show.

And I also have to give a shout-out to our short king, Gavin, who on Watch What Happens Live was in the audience when Whitney and Kenny were on. 'Cause Gavin is a shit-stirrer, we love it. So Andy's asking Kenny, during filming, were the rumors of West and Amanda taking up steam? And Andy looks over at Gavin, and he's like, "You're probably hearing it from Gavin." Now, we have to remember something. Rocco's is the name of a bar that was thrown around a lot. Before In The City, none of us realized those are Gavin's bars. Amanda and West were making out in those bars. So when Kyle was going around Manhattan drunk, and we were posting that he was screaming, "West is effing my wife," I'm realizing now Gavin was his source. And it makes sense because Gavin has no reason to lie about that. And whether Gavin saw it or not, his bartenders and employees are gonna be like, "By the way, Kyle's wife that he's in therapy with is hooking up with this other guy in our bar." I don't know that I believe that they were making out in public. I believe that they were chummy, and they probably were going home in private to hook up. And we know that Gavin would take a little something and make it bigger.

I really enjoy Gavin. He's definitely a pot stirrer, but there's just something I find really endearing about him, and I really liked his and Kenny's conversation where Kenny kind of called him out, and then Gavin immediately was like, "Wow, when you list it all out like that, I understand. It does sound bad, and that's not my intention." Well, I found out something very interesting. So during filming, Gavin had a girlfriend on and off. She filmed, and then at the end, they were off, and she refused to sign consent to be on. So they obviously had to edit that out. So when Kenny says to Gavin, "You thrive on toxic," he's probably referring to the relationship Gavin was in at the time. There's a missing piece that changes the context where Gavin was like, "Oh, your relationship's boring and mine is exciting," and Kenny being like, "Yeah, how's that working out for you?" because you guys are broken up now, and she's refusing to film.

Which reminds me, Amanda's friend Katie DeLuca was in all of the promo stuff. She was in the opening, a lot of the pictures, but we have barely seen her. There was even a whole bio write-up about her before the season saying, yes, she's Amanda's childhood best friend, but she's also close with Danielle, which can cause problems. And then we haven't seen her. So my wonder is, did she film the whole time and was she supposed to be on the show, but then they had to go back and re-edit a lot after the Wes and Amanda scandal came out? What I heard was a lot of her scenes were Amanda and her and Amanda's marriage, which no longer played given the reality of what was actually happening. Another piece was, and she shared publicly, at the time of filming she was having fertility issues. So I think she backed away from filming, and the only things she really filmed were group scenes and her talking to Amanda. So we see her in the group scenes, but the Amanda stuff was cut. And why she was highlighted was also to get us to watch, because we're thinking Amanda only has one friend in the whole world. Which ultimately Amanda didn't give us. I think she probably gave them how awful Kyle was, and I think the editors were like, "We're not doing this, 'cause we know that you were fucking his friend."

Not RHOA Teaching Us About Pelvic Floors

Okay, I wanna talk Atlanta. Because this last episode, I've been kind of bored with Atlanta. We know that there's a revamp coming. We hear NeNe is back. We've heard that before, so I don't want to get ourselves too excited, but this episode was very interesting. I would first like to discuss the pelvic floor conversation. I'm watching it, and I literally paused and Googled, because Phaedra says, "You have to get effed if your pelvic floor falls in order for it to go back into place." And then Drew chimes in and says that her physical therapist fingers her to help her pelvic floor. So I said, "Excuse me, what?" So I googled it, and I learned some pelvic floor physical therapists perform internal vaginal examinations and treatment as part of pelvic floor therapy when it's clinically appropriate and you consent. So this is a real thing, but consent is required. You can decline or stop the exam at any time, and you can have a chaperone if you'd like one. But I guess it was the way they worded it that I was like, "What?" I do know that this can happen, but I have never heard that physical therapy works like that. I know there's these Emsculpt things that are like 10,000 sit-ups, and they have those that are a chair that you can sit on that can help strengthen those muscles. I also heard that you have to get surgery to fix it if it does happen. So I find that interesting. I'm curious why Phaedra and Drew seem to know so much about this topic, and why does Drew share such weird details of her life, but never really what's actually going on? Does regular sex help prevent this from happening? We need to know. When Porsha was leading everybody in the Kegels, were you doing it with them? Yes. I was too. And those were the moments where I remember why I love Porsha.

Okay, so let's quickly talk about their fight, because this fight at the dinner was kinda wild. They're in Scotland, they go to dinner. Shamea, even Pinky and K. Michelle earlier that day are talking about how there's been this kind of dark energy around Shamea. So at the dinner, Shamea accuses Porsha of holding grudges, says, "You don't even let my daughter come to your house," and is very upset because Porsha has essentially made up with everybody else in the group but her. So Porsha dismisses this by saying, "I see the same empty eyes and darkness" that she saw in her ex-husband Simon's eyes. So then they really start shouting at each other. Shamea pulls out this statement that Porsha's mother tried to sleep with Shamea's father. And then immediately Porsha fires back with the statement that Shamea's mother actually slept with Shamea's uncle. Shamea's clearly been holding on to this skeleton for years. Porsha pops right back. I felt for Shamea. She left in tears, left the dinner. Porsha just stayed at the table and held court with the rest of the ladies. That back to the whole Porsha not letting her daughter go to Shamea's house thing, that's a knife in the heart.

My take on the Shamea and Porsha of it all is that I think Shamea is spot on when she says, "You never wanted me to be a full-time housewife." I think that Porsha didn't forgive her when she decided to become a full-time housewife. She is doing whatever she needs to do to get her off the show. We know that Porsha has a multi-year deal with NBCU, so if they have to pick, the network has to pick Porsha, 'cause they're already paying her. I think that Porsha is mad that the network fought so hard to have Shamea on. Let's remember, Shamea has real wealth. Her husband really makes a lot of money in his HVAC business, and she has the aspirational wealthy lifestyle that we want to watch. But Porsha is making it so Shamea has an awful storyline. Did Shamea go low by saying that accusation? Yes. Porsha hit her right back. And I have bad news. I think Shamea has lost this battle. She didn't keep her cool. As a result, fans aren't taking to Shamea, and I don't think your average viewer connects the dots to realize that Porsha set it up like this. Shamea's husband doesn't want to film anymore. And now Shamea's also battling accusations from Angela that she's sleeping with the athletes that she interviews as her job.

I think Shamea was doubly mad because the one person she was able to get on her side, Kelly, Porsha is now letting in with open arms. But it puts Kelly in a tough spot because Kelly needs Porsha to like her for her to remain on the show. So does it seem disloyal that Kelly is looking to move forward with Porsha? As a viewer, yes. But if I were Kelly's manager, I would tell her, "You have to." 'Cause if not, Porsha will get you off the show. And Kelly did the right thing by walking out with Shamea and making sure she wasn't alone. So I think it's clear that she still has loyalty, but I agree, she kinda has to do it.

What are your thoughts on Porsha not letting the kids play? I think it's one thing to do it and politely decline, and a whole other thing to tell people about it. I think it's the telling people about it, telling Dennis, Dennis telling Shamea's husband Gordon about it. Because we've all had situations where there's another kid who is either mean to my kid, and there's something about them for whatever reasons that we don't want them hanging out with that kid. And I think in that case you politely decline, but you don't tell your friend group. Where children are concerned, we all have to advocate for our child, but I'm not gonna then tell the larger friend group, "Oh, Johnny isn't allowed over because." That's the harsh and mean thing. And I think that is where Porsha's coming from. She wants Shamea out, so much so that she won't even include her daughter. And I also think there are different levels, such as a birthday party. If you're including everybody, then it's no biggie to include us. Whereas a one-on-one play date might be a little different when there's beef with the grandmas. So if Shamea's daughter had a birthday party at a space and 20 little girls are going, and Porsha was like, "No, I would never send my daughter," now I think that's petty. There's layers to this parenting, and it ain't freaking easy. It does not get easier.

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