176. Summer House Spinoff; Lisa Barlow Lawsuit Mini Dive; More on RHONY Casting

In Episode 176 of the Cocktails and Gossip podcast, Amanda and B break the news about the Summer House spinoff, do a mini deep dive into the Lisa Barlow lawsuit, and share the latest on RHONY casting updates. Plus: Summer House baby news, Heather Gay's arrest and the RHOSLC reunion, Jen Shah legal updates, Teresa Giudice and Gorga family drama, and Vanderpump Rules dating gossip.

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Summer House Spinoff Announcement

Summer House Cast Pregnancy and Baby News

Heather Gay Arrest and RHOSLC Reunion

Lisa Barlow Lawsuit Deep Dive

Jen Shah Updates and Legal News

Teresa Giudice and Gorga Family Drama

RHONY Casting News and New York Updates

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What's up? Cocktail, errs, Amanda, we have so much scoop. We really do Hi. B Hi, cock tailor, hi. I mean, Salt Lake City out of control. We're gonna get so deep into it. I feel like we're really breaking down the episode, which we don't always do, but we're excited. It's back, and this episode deserves it totally. Just what's been coming in the inbox, what you've been getting in DMS. There's definitely some stuff going on at Bravo this week,
both that's, you know, been told to us, both that's been like public, and both stuff that's been just shared with us by sources. So we have so much today, guys, it makes sense. It's the fall. Summer's over. Everyone's back in action. I know even we're a little bit slower in the summer and I mean, like, we're as far as, like, my DMs and stuff like that, because people are out and about. People are traveling full people start, like, back on their regular schedules and all that good stuff. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And so I feel like that's right, yes. And they're preparing for Bravo con, and so they're getting their panels together, and you're gonna announce something that looks very much like a summer house spin off panel. You kind of want to announce it before, so that you can name it the summer hospital, like those kind of things are what we're going to be getting. Wife Swap, I would like to say bravo and cocktails.com that was an anonymous email with the entire cast in its entirety. It was sent to us in April of 2025
right? Yes, I think we got something even well before that. We got a tip well before that, yes, and we got the cast in April. We posted both of them. So for everybody who says that our emails are bullshit, listen, once in a while we get an email about swaths. The vast majority of emails we get are pieces to puzzles. And you guys, this is why it pays to be a cocktail, because, oh my God, it was here, especially this month. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so speaking of summer house spin off, we got to start there. So everybody's been buzzing like, I mean, since the valley came out. I feel like you and I.
Okay, fans, everybody has been like, well, so they're gonna do this with they're gonna do this with summer house, right? Once Lindsay got pregnant, we're like, Okay, well, where's the spin off? Kyle is 43, years old. Where's the spin off? So we posted on August 8 from a extremely reliable source, and they worded it as Lindsay Hubbard, spin off starts filming September 1. That was all we had at that point. Okay, I did hear after that that filming was pushed to mid September. We shared that with everybody. Then on the next day, they said, I don't have a lot of details about Lindsay's spin off, other than it will start filming in September, As for who else will be on the show, I know they were speaking to some of her friends, not from the show, but I'm not exactly sure who's been cast. I'll let you know when I have more details. So we waited, and at the end of August, August 22
Oh, this was, that was, this is their when they were filming at that dog event, right? So then on September 1, when they were supposed to start filming, we were exclusively told by a source. We posted it cocktails, know that Andrea Denver and his wife, Lexi, were going to appear. We heard that Luke may make some appearances. Cho Paige opted out. She chose not to do the show. And days later, we added that we had, on good authority, that Amanda and Kyle would appear, which just makes sense, yes, yeah. So if we're comparing this to the people article, they said that they weren't provided cast but obviously it's written by Dave Quinn, who's got them all on speed dial, so I wouldn't only imagine how he has to take notes. Like, when he is talking it like he probably was like, well, cannot share. Can share. I mean, he was invited to Lindsay And Carl's wedding, so, yeah, there's that, yeah. So I'm very confident that he said Andrea as we said, he said Amanda and Kyle as we said. He said, Luke may appear. You guys know that I feel like the Luke may appear is Lindsay being a really good friend and trying to get her friend on the show. I don't know that. I'm convinced he'll appear and I could take him or leave him, to be fair, same. They did say they don't know if Carl will be on my feeling on that is, if Kyle is full time, I absolutely think that we will see Kyle and Amanda go over to soft bar and hang with Carl. I don't know that I see him being in a bigger capacity than that, unless he can somehow get a storyline going, which would have to look like something other than his business, something in his personal life, like a relationship. I don't know. I don't know how that looks. It was worded to us as Lindsay spin off, but clearly it's going to be a broader thing. Oh and her friends in real life. Oh, that's the other email we got. So after, it wasn't really a teaser, so it wasn't really a trailer so much as a teaser, because they haven't even started filming, right? It just showed like the city and then like the Hamptons house. So this was the email we got today. Lindsay Kyle Amanda will officially leave summer house after season 10 and lead their own spin off. Andrea Denver and his wife Lexi, will be on the show and expect appearances from Luke. Two other castmates will be friends of Lindsay's and Kyle's, who are also married, have children. Basically it will be the valley, but in the city. Filming is now, early December. I didn't even realize that Yvonne major, who we mentioned that it's the friend she was always posting, that we assumed to be on it, and Erin Frankel are two of Lindsay's friends in the mix. Bravo is dropping a lot this week, and one might think, why so much when Bravo con is only two months away, let's just say bravo has even more in store for Bravo con so exciting but disappointing that they're not filming until December. Is it? Because then we get the holidays in the city. That's true. I guess they did. I can't call it Summer in the City. I also, I also take it I take it better, because I was envisioning them keeping production up and doing a short, little couple episode thing, yeah, and if it's moved to December, I think this means full production, full cameras, up the whole shebang, which will give us a better show. And I know that Roni casting is still going on. Nothing is decided. We have a million emails that maybe we'll get to and try to put that puzzle together. But I sort of feel like this is taking the place of Roni in some ways for now who I don't know, and I we know too, that is it Yvonne, who is having a baby any minute. So that would make sense too. I don't know if one of Lindsay's friends was pregnant and having a baby any minute as well. We know that I was gonna maybe be on the show. So yeah.
Yeah, I just can't remember off the top of my head, which fun it was, but I think, I think it was Yvonne. But it's good, you guys, we get it makes sense, right? Because we've been feeling like this for a while, that it's just making less and less sense for for Kyle and Amanda to keep doing the same thing. I sure as they are feeling like they're probably not wanting to feel like one trick ponies or one dimensional, like wanting to show more of all the other stuff that they are doing in their lives as well. Lindsay in her new life as a mom in the city, I think it all. It all makes sense. And I think it's I like it that Bravo seems to be listening to people. It's like we don't want to lose some of our favorite people, but we don't necessarily need to see them doing the same thing over again, right? So it's cool to see Bravo making space like they did with the valley, like they've done with next gen in a different way, and like they're doing with this spin off, letting us see it, you know, a different stage and part of these people's lives that we love so much because we miss our Roni OGs. And I think this is, I think this is part of them listening and saying, Okay, well, let's try to make a new space, because clearly the valley did very well so and I also think when it was presented as Lindsay spin off, I think you were the first one, and a lot of the cocktails were like, okay, but can Lindsay carry a series? And obviously she wouldn't be carrying it. But if it was all new people, it would feel that way. And whether you love Kyle or not. He makes good TV. He does, and Amanda's very likable. A lot of the feedback is like Amanda's boring, but you have Kyle, you have Lindsay, Amanda kind of balances that out. I would never call Andrea in that beautiful face of his boring, but he's a calm cat. You know, he's not, he's not going to be having blowout fights with Lexi. I don't predict, right? And we don't know Lexi. I'm excited to see I agree what they're all about. Okay, I'm dying to talk about Salt Lake City, yes, so I gotta first start out by saying, brace yourselves be and cocktail. This feels really shocking for me to say, but watching the show last night, I feel like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is my favorite show period. Like, I haven't been this excited for the premiere of a new show in so long, so I mean, like, not just housewives shows, just all of them. I so enjoy this show, and this episode absolutely did not disappoint. See. That doesn't surprise me, because way back to the days of us recording in closets, even through the Gen shot of it all, when I was like so disgusted and like watching for the pod, you still always loved Salt Lake. There's something about the city itself and you and the Mormon of it all this cast too. They're jolls, so all of them, they're just all so funny and together, it works. I agree it's a perfect recipe. I have to tell you, I loved Whitney's prank. I wanted to know what you thought when the police rolled up like and they ended up being strippers for a second. And I know we would have heard about it if she was actually arrested. But I mean, with all her ml MLM schemes and legal issues, I have to guess that some of the ladies really thought she was being arrested for a second. Yeah, but I'm with Mary, where are the muscles on those strippers? I agree. I thought it was actually. It was great. I had a feeling something was up, just because they did not spend a lot of money on their SWAT costumes. So I kind of had a feeling, but I love it that, like wild stuff just happens in the beauty lab and laser parking lot. It was obviously a really nice callback to the whole Sprinter van situation. Harmless, really funny. Completely agree with Whitney, it's a fun way to kick off a girls trip. And, yeah, I agree with you, but like at the same time, Whitney said it's really hard to find strippers in Utah, which makes sense, right? Not, probably not a ton of audience there, and probably not a lot of stripper guys. Can I just say when they were like, Wait, where are we? Like, where are we going? And she was like, oh, an hour up, like, an hour north, and Brittany's like, we're going past my house. And Mary said, Oh, good, we can drop you off. She is a comedian. Like, I get that she's not even meaning to be funny, but, like, she is, but she isn't. You cannot I love her. I don't care. I just I love her. You can't make me hate her. I agree. I also, I was gonna actually try to draw out, like, Who's mad at WHO? Because even when Heather was kind of trying to straighten it out and she was like, with Mary, I don't know who Mary is mad at.
It's really hard. That's just Mary and, you know, yeah, people are mad at Lisa. Lisa is mad at it really does feel like nothing was really resolved coming out of the reunion, even though Bronwyn and Heather seem to have a great moment the reunion and we saw a quick flashback of it. Everybody's pretty much, everybody seems like they're all kind of mad at each other. And then there's been some kind of a new alliances formed. But Mary her faces and her expressions, and then she's supposedly helping with this trip. But then they get to this campsite, and she just goes, I don't like this. Yeah, yeah. So funny. I love it so much. So we see Britney literally on the RV. They haven't even gotten there yet. Call out Whitney. Whitney is also complaining that Lisa is not on the girls trip. And she's like, well, that like, they're like, Why isn't she here? And who is it? Britney's like, work. It's work. Work, it's work. And so then, you know, we start to hear a little bit about, like, Whoa, is it really just work? And then Brittany goes right back to Whitney and says, Well, your business is getting called out like crazy all over the internet. And you guys know, we've talked about this in the past that Whitney started an MLM, a Multi Level Marketing business, which, like Avon ladies, were the original MLM. But we had heard that the business did not survive. We did have a cocktail post, so I'll read that really quick. So it says, regarding the SLC housewife who's on a healing journey and her financial troubles, it says, I follow the anti MLM community as a hobby, and the MLM she launched as one does in Utah, was a fucking mess. It ended up crashing out pretty bad. I did watch the opportunity call, and it was as if they had no direction with a bunch of products plus self love and manifestation courses, I remember they scammed people by having them sign up to an in person event that they ended up canceling you.
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So I found Britney's defense of Lisa to be erratic out of the clear blue sky, she went in on Whitney's business just out the gate, and Whitney just gives the same energy back. And she accuses Brittany of sucking dick for money, you know, if only she had stopped and I think Whitney even said this, only she had stopped it when she goes to Brittany, well, Brittany, how do you make your money? If only she'd stop there. But then she says, fuck.
Mean, so, right? So later in the episode, Whitney goes into her business failing, and she does it like when they're at the campsite around the bonfire, and she's saying, you know, I had to fire 30 people. And she was pretty convincing, except Amanda and I and cocktails have read the posts from women who knew people involved were on the calls themselves. People paid a lot of money to go on some trip that then got canceled at the last minute. They were all out that money. It's not that they paid the money to Whitney, but like, if I book a flight and a hotel and it's not refundable. So I guess with MLMs, they're not illegal, right? No, of course not. They're not. People confuse them with like pyramid or Ponzi schemes, and they're not there. There are a lot of legit ones. That is true the earlier you get in, if you get in before and then, like, really, your whole your payment is based on how many people you recruit for the business. It's generally more about that than it is about how much you're actually selling, which is by a large network. Yeah, right. So people with a large network can make a lot of money, like I know in my mother's day, her friend, who was an Avon lady, did well, because the entire group of friends use this one Avon lady, right? So yes, if you have a large network, you can make money, but generally speaking, the people at the top, as Amanda said, who get in first, make the most money. So there is this gray area, because what they do is they have these calls and these seminars or whatever they call them, and they package it up like you're going to be able to earn a living and live off of it, and that's not if you just look at the numbers of the vast majority of MLMs, that's not the case for most of them, and it's also not something that usually lasts a long time. I know a lot of people who did Beachbody, and I actually know people who did well with Beachbody. They went on the vacations. I mean, I never saw their checks, but certainly they were doing well, yeah. And then that went away, because things change. And there was also Rodan and Fields, which is great skincare. They actually did away recently, and now I think you just can buy it direct. So I think that influencers, social media, affiliate links. I think that probably hurt businesses like Beachbody, like Rodan Fields, yeah, I don't know. I hadn't heard and I've used Jordan fields. I've used beauty counter. I and like, they've all been good. The ones that I've tried have all been good, but I understand why a lot of people find them. Some of these MLMs to be scammy. I mean, we've watched some of them are cool. What about Pampered Chef? I remember when I first got married, pampered chef was really big, and it was big for years before that too. But a couple of my friends, they had just gotten homes, and so for hosting the party, they got, like, a couple of free items. And it was a fun get together. You have a glass of wine, and the products were actually really nice, yeah, and Amazon wasn't such a thing, then, right? We're going back to, like, 2007 2008 it wasn't like I could just click and order whatever a cheese grater. Like, I don't I know people these days. You guys have no idea how easy you have it, especially well baby registry. Like, imagine a world in which you never had to go into bye, bye baby, or any of those other baby stores. And like, walk down every aisle and figure everything out. But I have to say, like, we have benefited with our kids. I really don't remember ever going to a toy store and buying my kids toys like I've always ordered online. Bo I think I've done both, but yeah, you're right. As they get older, it's definitely harder because they're like, oh, what's in that box? And like, I know. I'm sure everyone has done this. You send it to a friend's house or a parent's house or something like that, right? But like, when we were little in the 80s, no, you had to go and fight somebody for that Cabbage Patch Doll at Toys R Us. You definitely did, or people sold them out of the chunks of cars. So, like, I guess what I'm saying is, yeah, yeah, exactly. That was sort of the days. I guess what I'm saying is I think that it wasn't MLM I don't think that Whitney is completely lying, but anything you do, if the product isn't good, it's not gonna work. And I think that's probably what her big mistake was, is that they didn't fully think through the product line and what they're selling and how it's working, which is what this person who was on that opportunity call but, you know, she did say I was really impressed, honestly, the way that she was very open and, you know, use the words I failed. I think it takes a lot of humility, yeah, and that she also admitted that she and Justin went all in and lost it all. So I believe Whitney when she I don't think Whitney was scamming anybody. I think she just miserably failed, and unfortunately it hurt a lot of people, and other, you know, a lot.
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Well ahead of time, Lisa got major Meredith and Heather were in her corner, and then she kind of just pulled Brittany. And Brittany was on an island by herself, right? So she was very happy to be her soldier, because Bronwyn is a strong personality, and she has a lot of personal interest in going against Lisa, Yeah, same with Angie, yeah. Well, if you all remember guys, when we first heard that they were filming, we posted those pictures of all the ladies in Hot Springs, which is what I'm guessing is gonna happen on the next episode. There was a lot of speculation, just publicly and in our gossip world about why Lisa wasn't on that trip, and we got that email that told us the ladies are on a road trip. Everyone there is there.
Except for Lisa. And they said Lisa Barlow is filming the season, As per sources, but skipped the trip and instead attended the movie premieres for another simple favor, and the accountant too, in Austin, Texas, she did mention she'd be hanging out with Blake and Ben to Angie. So there you have it, the fact that it's Angie and Mary's trip, and Mary clearly has no idea of what's going on, and she's like, I don't know how my name got attached to this trip. This place is haunted. It like Salt Lake City is so camp, but naturally camp because of the women in it. I gotta tell you, I was watching it with my husband, and I'm looking at that RV, and I'm like, I'm all for an RV situation, but I would absolutely, I wouldn't do it sleep in an RV with eight other women. I was trying to figure out, like, where were they sleeping? That I still want to see them like all in those beds, to determine if that's actually true or if they weren't too many hotels. Like, where do they shower? I don't think they're I hopefully this is just one night and they're not showering. I hope that's what I would do. I would just be like, I will shower in my own shower when I get home the next day. But at the lunch at the picnic table, they go back to why Lisa isn't there, and so you guys will also remember we talked about this on the pod that we heard there are rumors that Lisa was still in negotiations for more money, or that she might be considering quitting the show. So none of those rumors ended up being true. And you know, we have a good Barlow source, and I really never believed that. I think perhaps someone in the cast put that rumor out to try to get her to film to, like, prove it wrong, you know. So this is the part that doesn't really make sense to me. I get we know Lisa, we know she's not gonna wanna discuss whatever lawsuits, legal issues, money owed for her businesses, but she's gonna have to, like, Bronwyn wasted no time, called out. Angie pushed her to go into detail. Bronwyn brought up the five lawsuits that were publicly posted in the Salt Lake City, Tribune and I'm sure many other places that one of them being that she's being sued for not paying back 400,000 in loans. These aren't things that could be resolved in a week. So if Lisa knew she was coming back, she could have, number one, wanted to go to those premieres. And number two, it all seemed like it happened days before that. It was public, and they could say, like it's printed in the Tribune. So I do wonder maybe she was just strategizing. Yeah. I mean, I think it could be because she knew she was gonna have to address it. Yeah, I agree. And it was interesting, because Meredith is like, well, so we're going to talk him in a minute about the lawsuits. But Meredith's like, well, you know, she's standing up for her. And she's, well, you know, borrowing money is part of doing business, which is very interesting to me, because literally, last season, Meredith was harping on the fact that the Barlows used essentially like a GoFundMe to right support their business, to borrow money, crowdfunding, crowdfunding, yeah, which is also what Carl did for soft bar. But I digress. We're not gonna get into that. Listen, you gotta pay it back, but it isn't the same. I mean, to compare her to Jen Shah, as Angie did, which she immediately took back. She doesn't have a criminal it's not a criminal lawsuit. It's a civil lawsuit. There are differences, right? That's true, and when they when she did say, the state or the federal government isn't going after her good point, Bronwyn was called out about the necklace. She immediately took accountability. And she went so far in her confessional to say, You know what, I chose to look cool in that moment. And it was stupid. It was a mistake. I look foolish, and I own it. I didn't buy the necklace. I should have said that, but I wanted to look like the cool girl. Yeah, I really thought that was I liked that as well. I sort of got, if we even did try to draw out a diagram of Who's mad at each other, like it's everybody, because Mary mentions that she's mad at Lisa and Angie also mentions that she's still mad at Lisa for making the circle jerks comment last season. Well, but I understand the women's point, yeah, like she says whatever she wants, but they're all supposed to act like she's the queen of Salt Lake City, and nothing bad ever happens, right? You know? And they rolled footage, and they show Lisa calling everybody out, yeah, you know. And here they were with printed newspaper articles showing lawsuits with $400,000
not being paid back. It's like, winner, winner, chicken dinner, if you have beef and you're on a housewife show. So as we're watching and we're hearing about these lawsuits, because I was like, gosh, I don't, I didn't remember, I remember there being a few, but I didn't remember there being five. And so I just made a note last night. I was like, I'm gonna look into this in the morning and just do, like, a little.
Mini dive on all of this. So guys, for those of you who do want to dig all the way in the Bravo docket, did a really good podcast about Lisa Barlow and John and Vida and all of the lawsuits. But based on everything I read, here's a quick ish summary when we're talking about John and Lisa individually, together or through their businesses. Just know, because each of them is a little bit different, but collectively, either individually or together or through the businesses, they were sued five times since 2020 so keep in mind the first season of Salt Lake City aired in November of 2020 so John and Lisa got married in 2003
they founded Vita tequila in 2007
we know, and we've talked about this on the podcast. They have a lot of other LLCs and businesses. Lux marketing is Lisa's business that she does the events through fresh Wolf is the boys male hair care line. They have two other spirits businesses and a holding company that kind of owns all three of their liquor companies. They also had a restaurant in Park City called Silver that was only open for a year and was not successful. So the big lawsuit that the ladies are talking about is that Lisa and John owed a previous like a friend named Bart Carlson, $400,000
for an unpaid personal and business expense loan that goes went back to 2010 so the terms on This loan, which is crazy to me is that the loan repayment was due at any time on Carlson's demand, which tells you just how desperate they would have been for the money, because to sign a loan that has payment turns on demand is like, in full, yeah. So like, imagine, yeah. I'd rather, I'd rather get a loan from a bank at interest, which also proves that they weren't eligible for that on a payment schedule. And yeah, yeah. So a couple years into the loan, Lisa tells Bart, the guy, Carlson, not to tell John that she's been drawing money off a loan, because, I guess it was set up kind of like a line of credit, because there wasn't enough left to pay for materials and products for VITA or for legal bills. So then this guy, Bart Carlson, starts paying VITAS legal bills. So adding that to the tab, essentially, then in 2019 Lisa and John took out a home equity loan against their house. Bart Carlson asked if they could use some of that money to partially pay him back. And Lisa said no, because they had to pay off two cars. Then in April, 2020 Carlson asked it again about the debt. Lisa didn't give him a real answer. So then finally, in 2024 so this has been a 14 year thing, he finally formally demanded repayment. Nothing was payment paid. So Carlson sued Lisa and John tried to get the case dismissed because the debt was so far in the past, and the judge denied that. So put a pin in that one for a second. I want to circle back on some of the other ones. You guys will remember, you know, there were some strange SEC filings about crowdsourcing, crowdfunding, which she questioned at the time, no lawsuits to do with that, though, but a lot happened in April 2020 because in April 2020 a man named Richard Daley sued them for unpaid debt amounting to 188,000
that case was dismissed in July 2020 which experts believe means that They paid the debt. There was also another lawsuit with someone named Steven Allen for unpaid debt of 102,000
that was also settled in 2020 which in July of 2020 which the guess is that they paid it back. Then there was another lawsuit. Or they settled on amount. They settled on a, yeah, they were able to, like the guy may have been like, you know what? Give me 60 and we'll call it even, or I'm gonna get this is gonna last 10 years, and I want some money. And, like, this is where, like, we never, we'll never know, because it was settled. There was another lawsuit with a company called Financial Services Corporation for unpaid loans totaling $106,000
financial service services corporation is a debt collection company. Let's see. There's another one from 2022 with a man named William McGeorge, where Lisa and John borrowed another $400,000
under a promissory note that had a 5% interest rate. The loan was called in for repayment in May of 2024 they didn't pay it. They got sued. Lawsuit was dismissed, which again tells us that something was paid. So we're talking over a million dollars in loans, quote, unquote, to the business. You guys know, when we say, you know, there's smoke, there's fire, it does appear that, because especially having read through some of these other lawsuits, one of them said, You.
They that they borrowed money for materials and stuff for Vita, but then it turned out they had plenty, and they had, like, didn't even really have that many customers that year. And so the alleged guess is that they have been using loans against the business in order to essentially live above their means, which feels like living housewives living over and above their means seems to be a tale as old as time. So that's okay. The story I just, I just, there's so many things here, but the overarching thing for me is, Who are all these people just willing to give them this money? Like, it's a lot of money too. I mean, right, like, and again, we'll never know, but it was it just alone. Was it a loan where they became Equity Partners once they turned a profit? It had to be like, Why would random men hand over hundreds of 1000s of dollars to a married couple to start these businesses. It doesn't make sense, such a good question. So when there's an investment in a business that is structured differently, right? And so if the business doesn't make money, then that's not it's not the same as a loan alone as a loan, and you have to pay it back. And like I'm just imagining if I lent $400,000
in I think you said 2010 2010 and now I'm watching her live high on the hog. Make a big housewife salary. Do ads with Wendy's, which, you know, make tons of money. Be on red carpets with Ben Affleck and Blake Lively. Yeah, I give me my fucking money back. It's
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with her terrible timing. It's just she said, We're engaged, but we're unengaged. And then Whitney's like, yeah, I see him at the gym. He's at the gym cafe, like, with women. They're like, dating at the gym Cafe, which was like, another joke, of course, that guy would date people at a gym cafe. You got Mary trying to cook a veggie burger on a stick for Mary?
Okay, and then Heather's crazy ghost story, which looks like it's gonna the beginning of next week is gonna be like The Blair Witch Project I remember, uh huh. My favorite though, is when Meredith's like, we're too old for this spirit to care about us. Yeah, I love it dying. I was like, good for you. Meredith, like, like, once a year she's got a zinger. I'm locked in. It's so good. Oh, Bronwyn saying I can get along with Heather as long as I sit behind her and we are in a kayak and we don't have to make eye contact. And she says, and play second fiddle. And play second fiddle, yep. And Heather saying that Jen Shaw is in jail where she belongs. I'm like, Whoo girl. I wonder if you still would have said that, knowing that she's getting out this Thanksgiving. Oh brother, I know they better not we heard they would never bring her back. And I know that they bring back people who do illegal white collar, climb DUIs, she was robbing elderly people, and Andy was like, she'll never be back, so yeah, and the fact that they still even bring her up, like, I would never mention her name, I wouldn't give her the satisfaction, yeah, and I would just be scared like I never post her. I don't post her updated release. I don't post anything. Jen Shah, I have no interest in Yeah, give further platforming her. I agree. Okay, so we mentioned the housewives swap show. We saw the trailer this week, so this is just a quick reminder. We said it at the top. While not all of our anonymous emails end up being completely accurate, there's almost always some truth in them, or in this case, completely true. We had the entire cast, and we also, throughout the time they were filming, shared some sightings of the women in cocktail party with pictures, and I thought the trailer looked awesome. Angie Kay, Salt Lake City, Emily Orange County, Melissa jersey, Wendy Potomac, really funny. Some moments look like they're gonna be very touching. I don't know. I don't think it doesn't look overly produced in the trailer. They all kind of seem like they got into the mode. So I'm excited. They're swapping with normal people. So a lot of you guys, and honestly myself too, when I first heard it, we kind of assumed that they'd be swapping with reality stars, but they're swapping with normies. So not housewives like nobody we know, like Wendy, for example, is just swapping with a regular family that's never been on TV, which I think will make it more authentic. Yeah, I agree. I think the production picked their housewives well, because each of these wives families are entertaining too, you know, like Joe Gorga funny, like giving Melissa pillow the, you know, with his picture on it, Eddie offering his advice, like he was like, if I have any advice to give you, and she's like, who mentioned where was the question production about advice? Yeah, I love them. I feel like Wendy sometimes doesn't get the best. I don't even want to call it an edit. Sometimes in the group, she acts very defensive. But I love the scenes of her and Eddie because they're so likable together. They're such a cool couple, like I would love to go out to dinner with Wendy and Eddie. I Yeah, I have really come around on Wendy. She annoyed the crap out of me a couple seasons ago, but redeemed herself last season, and I truly enjoy her. Okay, I'm going there, I'm gonna bring up a touchy subject, okay, and, you know, I really shouldn't, because I spoke, I misspoke on this topic once, and a lot of you guys reached out and I edited it, but I'm going to say, and a lot of you guys DM to me. We discussed Emily, sharing about her son and his struggles and possible autism diagnosis and many cocktails, feel that she is helping others by sharing which I do agree with, and I just think it's the way Emily delivers it like I never felt that way about Jacqueline lorita, but they're different personalities in any event, skipping over that in light of her ongoing concerns about her son's developmental progress and possible autism diagnosis and attachment issues and all of the things that we're hearing this season, is mom swapping appropriate for him. And again, I know it's touchy for me to say, and I know that some of you will say, I sound judgy, but she shared this with us, and we're watching her crying with her friends on the OC about how he's specifically very attached to her in the home. And I don't equate this to a mom having to travel for work, or even a mom going on vacation with her friends, or I'm saying she is swapping another woman for a couple days in her place. It seems an odd choice, and I'm just gonna leave it at that. The thought occurred to me, but I do think Emily's a good mom and wouldn't do anything that could hurt her son. My thought is, you know, maybe her therapist, or their therapist, thought it would be good for Luke to have some time away from Emily, because maybe he was too attached so and I know that you're.
You bring this up, not in a mom judging. Well, I actually thought of it because a lot of the cocktails DM to me, yeah. And said, like, that's a weird choice. Yeah, definitely. After seeing this season and seeing her crying about the fact that she feels like she can't even leave the house to go on an errand, I can only imagine how tough that would have been it's not believing him, because I think that that should be something that, like, listen, moms have to travel for work. Moms have to travel for a variety of reasons, family obligations. If you have a sick parent, you may have to travel. I mean, specifically swapping another woman into a mom role. Yeah, I guess the same could be said for any of the young kids, really. You know, like Melissa and Angie's kids are older. Angie's daughter's a young teenager, maybe 13. Melissa's kids are all high school or college, and her daughter's college age. But like, even Wendy's kids, they're little like, that's a little confusing, but, yeah, I guess, I guess the pushback is, the father's there. He'll explain it. It's only two days. It is work because she is getting a check. So that is something to keep in mind. Yeah, she's providing for her family. It just seemed a little odd on the surface, but then if you look deeper, obviously there are ways to rationalize it. Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see how it all works out. But it does look like it's going to be really funny, by the way, speaking of Melissa, I hadn't heard this, and so you, you broke it to me on the pod that Teresa had been on Jeff Lewis, saying, I can film with anybody. I we could bury the hatchet. This being years after of her saying she refused to film with Melissa, Joe or Margaret, but now she's changing her tune because test filming, quote, unquote, has happened without her, and they are moving they're moving forward with or without her, it seems. So we spoke to some sources, and they were like, look, is it possible that after she said this, bravo, gives her a chance. Like all things are possible, but the sources I spoke with don't see it happening, because they feel like there's an inability on her part to really follow through. And then after a couple of episodes, the same old issues would come up, and they took such a long break, I can tell you, they really do want to have something for her, but they're struggling, from what I hear, to figure out what that is. She has been unable to secure a restaurant for that restaurant themed show she wanted to do with Gia. We'll see her on next gen New York City. I don't think her days on Bravo are over. I just it's sounding to me like the train is leaving rails without her. I'm all for it. I'm all for seeing what jerseys you like without Teresa. Not all group chats are the same, just like not all Adams are the same. Adam Brody, for instance, uses WhatsApp to pin messages, send events and settle debates using polls with his friends all in one group chat makes our guys night easier. But Adam Scott group messages with an app that isn't WhatsApp, which means he still can't find that text from his friends about where to meet. Hang on, still scrolling, no, the address is here somewhere. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. What does Zen really give you, not just hands free, nicotine satisfaction, but also real freedom, freedom to do what you love, when and where you want, and with Zen rewards, you'll unlock even more of what you love. Simply redeem codes to earn points toward premium tech outdoor gear and gift cards to your favorite retailers all waiting for you in the largest reward store of its kind. Why try Zen rewards? Because it offers more than just premium items. Zen rewards unlocks access to exclusive experiences, promotions and perks you won't find anywhere else. And like any journey, our reward store evolves with fresh new items every season, so you can always find something for your next adventure. Keep finding the freedom to enjoy more with Zen rewards. Find yours in and explore everything our reward store has to offer at zen.com/rewards,
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So the other things we've been getting this week has been a lot of Roni back and forth. So there's been some emails, and then you've spoken to some sources that have debunked some parts of the email.
So I thought I would read the original email and then kind of take every we can, take everyone through what we know now. So it says Roni is finally coming together. Aaron Sy and Jessel are the only definite women returning and will be at Bravo con. The announcement will come late when plans are finalized. Jenna is still a question mark, and then it says Nicole Daisy toy, who is Martha Stewart's makeup artist, Erica Fay Jones, June Ambrose, who's a celebrity stylist, Chanel Jones from the Today Show, and Sarah wettenhall, owner of the colony Palm Beach and the hedges in East Hamptons are the new newbies in final negotiations, it says, Get ready for more wealth on Roni, which is what fans want. Filming is set to start after the new year with a summer 2026 premiere. My source says that while there was a hotel owner mentioned, there was a whole, excuse me, there was a hotel owner interviewed with casting. It was a completely different person. June Ambrose has not even had a conversation with casting since 2020 Erica was considered in 2022 but not since what I know as things stand, Erica, Sy and Jessel are confirmed. They're looking at their additions to be women in their 30s and 40s with young kids. But you know, here's the thing, Carol radswell just confirmed she'll be at Bravo con. She doesn't fit with the 30s and 40s mold, but we've got a couple of other emails with different versions, and I feel strongly that they could cast in such a way that Carol makes sense. If Jenna or someone like her is back, they could work Carol in as a friend of it's not really to feel like Carol can fit in. Yeah, it's not moms of New York City. They don't have to have little kids and like, look at other franchises. Shannon in OC is in her 60s. Gina is in her early 40s. It's certainly doable when ultimately we don't want to see the kids, you know. I mean, we want to see the kids. Of course, we want to see the kids, but the show's not about the kids. It's about the women, and it needs to be about interesting women. So I'll read this other email. It says, what's taking Bravo so long. And then it's dash, not wanting to flop. This is a make it or break it season for this city. How does this sound? Question mark, Aaron Jessel, a Jenna, Carol, radzewell, Daisy, Nicole toy and two other newbies. It says, and so now Jenna's name is back in the mix, which she's always like on the line. I feel like it's really since the second season. So one of my buddies in the DMS, my source that always tells me follow the money, and they're just brilliant and smart. They were like B Carol wads, radswell, can be worked in, but Dorinda, Ramona, Luanne, Sonya, they're like characters of themselves at this point, and they couldn't be worked in, whereas Carol could. And that, like, really clicked for me. Yeah, I do think that there. I believe, you know, we saw even the pictures of these OGS getting together for a lunch. I know there's still a ton of fan interest. Carrie, Luanne, Dorinda and Sutton were at dinner this week during fashion week. Dorinda is she is also going to be a guest on ladies of London. So so she she even said on her show that she co hosts with Kiki Monique, that she feels like she's not still in the inside scoop that she's not liked at Bravo and part of the Bravo family anymore, which we know not to be true. What I think she may have been referencing, because we know that she is a guest on ladies of London. But do you remember there were some whispers about a Vanderpump Villa type show at Blue Stone Manor that was quite a while ago, and crickets. Yeah, so maybe she was kind of referring to that, like partially kidding, like, obviously she still guests on ladies of London, she still has a show under the umbrella. Maybe she means she's not like a main player anymore. Yeah, I would agree. I think, I think that's probably what that is. But so somebody happened to be out and spotted Sutton and Countess out for drinks this week fashion week in New York. And would you like to see some of their observations? I would understand. Tell us. Well, we know this, the Countess is not on the wagon. She said, apparently, I don't care about water. I care about drinks. Countess vapes. That doesn't surprise me, because she also smokes, right? Yeah, I think Dorinda smokes and vapes too. Countess is not shy. She was singing, dancing, publicly, making out with that guy. Oh, my God, by the way, remember we saw that picture, and it looked like she was kissing a guy that looked like Mauricio. And we were like, gotta be AI. No, that was her new gentleman friend. Yeah. She was wearing a bright, sparkly, skin tight body suit at dinner. Okay? She was also kept kissing Sutton.
I don't know if that means lips or whatever, and I don't like this. She was not nice to the bar staff. She was mean and entitled. No, yeah, don't like that. And apparently the bar staff didn't even know who she was. I kind of find that hard to believe. If you're in New York City, you don't know who the Countess is like, unless you just got here. I really am starting to see it more and more with my own family. Kids do not watch TV, I know, and so I can understand where they wouldn't like, with the exception of my what like? Well, you know, my my daughter and like, one of one of our kids, will watch some shows, but they don't really watch TV, so it doesn't surprise me that Gen Z bartenders would not know who she is. Should we what should we wrap up with? Because we got a bun, so how about that? Just little bit of Valley tea? Oh, yeah, I like that. So we heard that Jeremy, Ariana, his brother from Ariana from Vanderpump, that he had been possibly in the mick for the valley two seasons ago. And now we are hearing that he and I guess is now fiance. I remember he's dating an older woman, and I guess they're engaged will appear on the valley that he has been at two cast events so far, and Sheena has not been at these events. And we know that off the top of my head, one of the events was a party at Danny, and Nia is a sip. And see, I don't know if it's was the same sip, and see with Kristen, and Nia is new babies. So we had told you that Bravo wasn't happy with how much Sheena said on her book tour and some of the stuff in her book, I think they felt that she kind of threw production under the bus. So I think she tried to ignite that feud with la la, which La La referred to as Sheena. Sheena, she's like, we're fine, as far as I know, and Sheena is likely pissed at Lala, not only about the lack of support with the book, but it seems to me that Lala, who wasn't really being mentioned to be on the valley full time at least, essentially took her slot. And I have to say, a lot of you guys in my DMs, Amanda, you might wanna cover your ears. Are feeling that it's unfair, like you're kind of being like, whether you love Sheena or hate her, she does bring a lot, give a lot, orchestrate a lot, stir the pot a lot. And it's kind of like they feel like they just take the network production, whoever it is, takes her for granted, and kind of like, uses what she gives them, and then doesn't like necessarily showcase her, if that makes sense, well, I will say guys. And I said this earlier this summer, like respect on Sheena's name for keeping herself on television all these years. I could make some comparisons to things that keep coming back and coming back, but I won't. I just know that she'll find a way, because she always has. So I'm sure we'll see her. I think she's just having to take her medicine right now. Yeah, I think we'll see her. I just think that it's a smaller role than she had hoped. Yeah, probably similar to the role she had last year. And, like, oddly enough, she wasn't there, but Nia thanked her for the dessert platter in the picture she shared, which, like, I don't know, it kind of like, is kind of sad for her. I mean, can you imagine, though, Sheena is, like, I shared this whole affair thing in this book, and now I'm getting essentially back burnered, yeah, and I'm not gonna get a chance to talk about it on the valley. That's gotta be, imagine that they also, like, reprimand her about stuff she says on her pod and like, you know, and she probably just doesn't listen and then plays dumb. We know how she Sheen is. Yeah, she, she knows, she, she knows we love you guys till next time bye cocktail or see you at the zoom on Wednesday, Yes, bye.